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There something wrong with honest questions? Suffering animals seem to suffer and be in pain longer when they are "rescued". Most are never "right" again. The humane thing use to be to put them "out of their misery", never pleasant and took some guts to do it, their suffering was ended quickly. If your neighbor is abusing it's child and you go remove the child from them, you have taken the law into your own hands. So what if you notified the authorities and they didn't do what you wanted them to do in what you consider a timely manner; you have kid-napped that child! Animals have more rights under the law than children? If so it is because those laws are yet to be challenged and won't hold up. If an animal is being abused there are laws in place and procedures to be followed. It is like playing god to take the law into your own hands.

Godly as in service to the same God that demanded animal sacrifice in the Old Testament?

Vigilante law is acceptable when animal abuse is suspected?

Did she break the law?

Clearly Excie has the inside track on this program as I am sure pillow hugging Jesus is better than the totally p!zzed one when he would see what these idiots promote in His name! Is this the other Jesus preached that would put God's elect in the path of harm and we are called whiners by someone that claims Christ was all over the program and mental hospitals and suicides abound? Ego maniacs beating their chests promoting a potentially dangerous program to their followers, obviously these self centered, self serving, self proclaimed "ministers" of CES/STFI kept the "best" from TWI........... center stage and the worship of the peons.

As a minister for Christ I could never rightly recommend a program that turned out to be harmful to anyone. So my beef would be that it can't be recommended by a true minister of the true God, TYVM. Now you think about that while you continue all your finger pointing.

From the American Pie movies, it means a Mother I would Like to F. (have sex with)

Just like Tookie

And Christ is for all that believe, so how about showing us where Christ is in the programs. In the programs for all to see and not just some. BTW, vultures don't move in for the kill at any sign of weakness. They are carcass critters, you know bone-pickers and I personally see more bone-picking from the CES/STFI leaders.......

I like what 2 of my nieces are doing to help eliminate crime where they live. They teach other women how to use handguns and then once the women pass the courses help them get their conceal carry permits. Imagine safe streets for women to walk even after dark,

Harry Chapin

Grace, what a great post! I have been thinking about things like this a lot lately. And what possible good is all my knowledge of the truth if it keeps me blinded to actual needs? Why also do some people with very screwy doctrines have such Godly practices? I mean their views of eternity and god I can't buy, but their true charity and caring for their fellow man is much higher than what we see with those claiming higher knowledge.

Maybe a good Christian training would be to beat Rev.'s yelling Rev. Rev. Rev. as I am sure a good portion of our "problems" lay with our former cult leaders. Oops, I meant beat pillows yelling that............... really I did! How anyone can squeeze Christian into a program like Momentus? Christ died for your sins but now beat this pillow blaming your saintly Christian parents. Honor your Father and Mother which is the first commandment with promise, the promise being you can blame them for being screwed up enough to follow men that think Momentus is Christian

Unless you are the oyster....... :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump:

Whipping Post ABB

And feel free to answer my other question first chance you get. I know I am on the edge of my seat waiting.

To publicly deny promoting the programs which they have done and then privately still promote shows and incredible degree of dishonesty on the leaders parts. Why is that so hard to see? I saw them brag about dropping the damn thing only to turn around and push it on Groucho. I doubt the freakin program works at all if it leads to this type of "spirituality" and I know it does. I would say if Christ were the head of their organization a lot more honesty would radiate from their hollowed walls and not all this devilish, sensual, fleshy programs they like to lie about.

Sure, you show me how they can drill and wire stem cells to see if the idea will work as they proved with the monkeys so the man could live a much more normal life, then I will consider the argument.

There is the documented case where monkeys were used in experiments that lead to some unbelievable results with Parkinson's. When the man that benefited from the treatments showed how he could control his tremors with a literal flip of a switch, animal rights activists called him a murderer. Maybe the real murders are the ones stopping experiments that would lead to cures for horrible diseases that plague all of mankind. Are animals equal to humans? Are they to be given the same rights and then also privileges as humans. If the animal rights activists get their way what will become of the vast dairy herds on the dairy farms they oppose? Animal cruelty against another animal is that tolerable and permissible? Does the coyote get the animal rights activists blessing as it rips to pieces the sheep? What else would happen to the millions and millions of sheep in herds that provide wool and meat?

Because he wishes he was as big as Tina?

Da Bears' bumble ball! Maybe second half they will figure out when they get a turn over it really doesn't mean they have to give it right back to the Colts.......

you mean the one he wrote home about because he would be able to send more money? The one his girl friend was going to give him?

The gas station where he got his name in the phone book, right before the defective cans

I'm somebody!!

At a ROA I meet a man that worked on staff and claimed to be one of the original hippies that came to HQ for summer camp and stayed. Great guy, he reported that they did smoke pot during the live taught PFAL class. Then he said once at HQ he and a girl were toking up by the river Jordan and VP came walking up. VP took a puff shook his head and walked off saying he got high off of God. But here is another TWI legend I never got to prove, but it was said Vince F and his WOW family in Kentucky chose part time jobs to be dealing dope. Brenda M*ll*ns was some of their fruit and it was claimed she backed the story. Never confirmed it.