Ductape

Yeah Rhino I get where you are coming from. Its like on that other thread the question keeps annoying me about laws requiring authorities be notified when children are at risk and it was also posted teens and a granddaughter were molested. So, aren’t teens kids to? But, because of the warm understanding treatment you got; how dare anyone ask questions? Skyrider I have no “beef” with you and always enjoy your insight and posts. Heck I really don’t care about the corpes only site; but I do object to posts here about what a wonderful place that is, or a check this out and a link posted where many can’t get there from here because they never went corpes. I can also respect those that stayed and were near the top and wanted to “fix” the ministry. We thought we had something and some even got Loy’s oath he would stop sticking it where it didn’t belong. The mind set of no one touches da-verd or the MOG is still very fresh in my memory. I would think a former inner circler would allow others the grace they demand (not that you were one of them)

I meant more figuratively than literally. Like the way we had to take Loy Boy's new classes if we wanted to stick around; no old wineskins! The prevailing present truth and don't forget if we wanted to participate we had to write letters of praise every time a leader farted our direction. That was more what I was thinking, one mindedness of praising the privileged posters only allowed and then the ones needing to hear the other side of the story booted because they don't agree. Hello, my name is Ductape and I was a Wierwille apologists. Now its name calling for some one else to call me that………….

I spent 22 years in TWI, mainly stayed way out away from the fray. I started out the worst of the worst apologist for all things PFAL when I showed up at WayDale. I easily tossed the LCM doctrines after leaving. I was an ugly interrogator with the worst of them when someone would share their personal stories that went against my mental image of the MOG and I was also in huge denial of my own worship of "our father in da-verd". Having left TWI 9 years ago without knowledge of lawsuits, but over my personal inability to live at the "level" LCM demanded; there are always some hard lessons to learn. Learning LCM wasn't the first pervert of the highest seat in TWI did not come easy. There are still unanswered questions and often belligerent discourse is the only thing that works to bring this stubborn old gray matter around. The brain shuts down when ever someone comes across like they are lecturing a child, or they sit in some great seat of authority. If they allude to those that stayed as lesser; no thoughts from them can break through. From the land far away from headquarters the reputation of the leaders-away were tarnished because by the time it hit my area the power grabbers had grabbed the lists of whom they wanted to be in their new club. By the time I was invited it was by a guy who claimed 10 years faithful; 8 of those years no one saw him for dirt. I was suppose to trust a guy that lied about his time and even worse published a news letter about the great healing in his marriage as his wife had confessed her affair and they grew from this. CES was waiting for me, sort of after the fact. Then there was also the guy threatening his wife with a knife, same wife that contacted top leaders at headquarters about my horrible leadership and her and her hubby should be the leaders. This was after the knife deal and then the word came down I was to be replaced. I called headquarters and the word got to of all the old perv himself and he put a stop to my removal. Now, the same guy that made this decision and turned loose the wrath of the LC on me on the word of a women he knew years before was suppose to be believable; yeah right. We all came from different places and all "our" TWIs are different; why should we be expected to all be at the same place now? There is a constant drum beat of the required "group-think" here at the café'; this place can become as cultish as the cult ever was; complete with privileged posters and peons……

My LC, a 6th corps grad called and sent me to a home where a twiggy was threatening his wife with a knife. The LC said; get some body and get out there, don't hesitate to call the law if he doesn't immediately get rid of the knife. After first WOW year, former WOW sister stayed in state and all the rest of us left. WOW sister went to a Way Home full of men and went from room to room trying to get her needs meet, another 6th corps grad LC in that state called the BC and had her taken to a mental hospital and told she could return to twig when they released her. That was 6 months later. This guy walked away from his degree in psychology right before graduation because they handed him a conglomerate of "theories" and said find out what works. Even with his bad experience with the field he didn't hesitate to send some one for help. Another time we went out of town for a limb meeting and returned to find our home had been burglarized, the LC at that time was FC and I don't remember the number. We found out it was one of our newbies and when we called the LC he insisted we called police. Oh wait; the ABS was stolen so this one might not count…..

Isn't it kind of an oxymoron to claim client patient privilege when the privileged compares notes with a none professional? Aren't there also laws that supersede privilege when a crime is brought to light in one of these closed sessions? Don't get me wrong; it is easy to arm-chair quarter back events that are older than most natural memories allow clear recall of details. That and the cult mind set dominating the logic has to be taken into account. It is easy to brand those with knowledge of the crimes accessory because they didn't put a stop to the crimes immediately. Giving the good ole college try while going against everything you were taught and you stood for over years of your life is very admirable. No one can honestly claim they would have done as much let alone more had we been in those shoes. Even knowing how repulsive pedophiles are to us. But, here goes the big old but to what I am thinking; I would think everyone's Prince Valiant in this historical documentation would be a lot more tolerant and forgiving towards others and where they are now mentally. They can recall their dilemma yet don't allow the dilemma others were faced with?

A thread about someone leaving because of the pettiness of the conversations lately and the thread derails and turns petty. No surprise here………… Oh and stalking name calling -_-

Recently my office shook and rattled till I thought my windows were going to shatter! As I ran outside I found the streets were filled with men, women and children and they were all standing with their mouths open staring towards the western horizon. Then like a flash a single fighter jet appeared like magic and ripped past performing various tricks and aerial acrobats. Mind you this is in an area under the "bubble" of one of the most liberal concentrations in the USA, but everyone stood there and hooped and hollered with delight for the single airman practicing loudly to draw the crowds. THERE HE IS shouted the children as they pointed, he would appear, twist, flip, roll, climb and dive! This went on for over a good ½ an hour. Following a few minutes of silence, out of the eastern horizon lumbered a great WWII bomber, props roaring and the noise vibrating the very ground where we stood; an awesome reminder of history and a silent crowd watched. My 60 year old carpenter that bears a striking resemblance to St. Nick himself broke the silence with "Damn what a great country" and the gathered crowd of men, women and children all applauded. Silly Santa still thinks patriotism is an admirable quality…….

the dead body of the MOG corpse, sorry.

Your son is a true hero, refusing to sell out for a "piece" of the kingdom; not caving in when faced with armed lunatics. Guts aren't needed to chase ghosts, and respect isn't due to those exposing how rotten the corpse really is so they can greedily grab their part of the inheritance. The guy that was on the bus to CO, was he the perp? What was his sin; visiting the harem of the holy one? Or, was it because he got caught?

When this all broke, a top leader at headquarters did some investigation and research finding 9 women that admitted to the “sexual ministering” of LCM. A couple of these women were very close to home. Not like those that went before; the ones that kept on salary while writing letters and traveled the country accepting money in the name of TWI to take the message through the back door and publicly declare the evils; this man went right to LCM. He and his were escorted off of grounds immediately! He knew the risk, but did what was right because that is the kind of man he is. He also testified in the custody hearing of what is known as the Colorado Lawsuit. Friends attended the hearing and watched as the current Springs leader’s wife testified TWI had no mark and avoid policy. Some of those that attended had been separated from family through the M&A policies. Oh, and he is one of those horrible splinter group leaders; the trash they all are……..

To some the deepest darkest secrets they carry are those of childhood molestations by a close family member. Even if the family member had made a statement to a specific group; what right does anyone have to put the information out on the World Wide Web? Both extremes of this debate seem to think their end justifies their means.

And your nearly 7000 posts show your choice to go after and attack those that disagree with your position.

Just like anyone that disagrees on politics gets the same treatment. It's the mission that gives the right to attack!

I know more people that have left this joint over the constant name calling and vicious attacks on other posters like this thread is doing than the one's singled out in this thread have ever driven off. I would say that goes against the purpose of the site if people don't stick around to hear "the other side of the story".

And here I thought I was the master of cheap shots, I am humbled by this greatness and see I have much to learn before I can be a true master........

Stalking, normally what happened here would be called that. There use to be a rule not to follow a poster around from forum to forum carrying a grudge because they had a fight over in forum 3. For the peons and the unfavored the rule must still apply; but not for a great one going after one of the few Way Brained that won't bow the knee and kiss his ring...... Dove and Oldies give enough reason on their own that no one needs to fabricate excuses to go after them. But we must be pleasing to our leaders, right?

Hysterical!!!! There are rules of engagement while the rule reminder calls posters names and has a long history of such! It's all opinion people, that is why it takes 2 or more witnesses in a court of law to establish a testimony.

I asked my BC to put it where the sun don't shine and offered to help place it there for him....

But looks aren't everything......

Why not use the quote where he said the bible is pretty childish?

Got a cousin that when she was a youngster was quite a tomboy and announced she wanted her named changed and was going to grow up and be a boy! I know this was no later than 2nd grade. With some proper parenting she is still quite the tomboy type working on a huge ranch side by side riding,roping and shooting with her husband and 5 children. She is very happy. Then there was the other cousin from another family at a very young age that liked to dress as a girl an honestly had quite a feminine streak in him. While his 3 other brothers hated house work and escaped to the fields for "man work" he tried to stay in and cook, clean and wanted to learn to quilt. But, then with some proper parenting and teaching him to quilt, but his "thingie" had a "special purpose" he grew up to father 7 great kids without a single sign of gender confusion showing up. Why is it when something is defined so clearly in the bible; even those claiming they serve a Christian God choose to serve the creation more than the creator? When something was against the original design they choose to redefine the standards and do so because they know "such nice people" that happen to be "that way". I know some very nice idol worshipers, so seriously God doesn't mind because they are so nice. Uh Huh! I just can't grasp where their judgement is coming from; so 1 of us has some real judgment problems..... Then they that support and have pleasure in supporting those that are "that way" like to define everyone else as haters. You support or you are full of fear and hate. Notice they re-define words and make some up; Islamophobia. Why not it worked so well for the gays!

Yeah things had gotten out of control, I was accused of being sarcastic; imagine that!

Sure it's a strawman argument if you say so, just to shut up the other side. There are already cases filed in other states and courts to get plural marriages legalized. There are also movements to lower marriage age when consent of parents is given. But it is all strawmen because you say so. NAMBLA is waiting in the wings, I am sure they will also use the strawman argument of pedophiles are born not made. Just because you don't see an association doesn't mean there isn't one. But, I do have to agree the whole gay marriage thing is not that big of a deal, the moral decay of this country in the name of "what happens in the bedroom" is private just keeps getting drug into the light of day. Gay and lesbian are not protected status by federal law, neither is liberal or conservative. Depends on state and local law. If Ernie and Adam want to get married most places in this country have no laws to prevent firing them. There might be a few burgs and little spots with "chop shops" that say you can't do that; but there is nothing federal.