Ductape

Steve Martin sicko humor??????????? NEVER!!!!!!!! We should have made him supreme leader of the universe when we had a chance.

It's like manna from above, thanks lord for the gifts we have received here today...... Call it the musings of a madman if you want, yet the other side of the welfare system really sucks when you find yourself with strikes against you like being white, male and even worse your income is just above that level to qualify for any benefits. But while the shoes and the clothes me and mine wore were mainly hand-me-downs and thrift store specials, those ever well dressed welfare moms with designer cloths and bags and their designer clothed children checking out with carts over-filled with food better than what we ate(can you say beans and pasta?) and they would whip past their credit cards and debit cards to get to the food stamps and assistance cards for child nutrition. Dressed to the max single moms with babies would then take their bounty home to their brand new apartments, later known as the breeding grounds; to feed themselves, their babies and their ex husband or boyfriend that worked and brought home a check no one was suppose to know about the men or their income. I have never been in the situation that just I had to change jobs, but have seen whole industries dry up and chose to work and get by, because I still think you never get something for nothing and the hidden prices are greater than the gain. A whole industry dried up almost overnight, one day a job and the next not; fine I went back to what I had known only to have the environmentalists with their legislation drive domestic competition out of the country. The government offered training programs and thousands signed up and took them, not me. I was the idiot and just changed careers again, but during this change I did small contract work, I mowed lawns I never said would you like fries with that but I did fry the fires. Anything and everything to keep afloat. I sold off cars and trucks and drove junkers and then relocated half-way across the country. Now when I go back to "home" all those that took the offer from the government are either back on government programs or went back to the industry that dried up for a decade and came some what back. Because the training lead to jobs that never paid what the industry that died paid. Dealing with hard times shows the real quality of a person and people and even though it really sucks at times, good people always come through shining and characters of questionable quality get exposed for their near criminal activities.

Oh and I think pedophiles and rapists should be given a choice. Their choice would be where to get cut , their manhood or their throat, choose wisely grasshopper!

Going back to the original question as to when is it rape, if a woman is married to "Satan" and she has to ask, then get professional help now! A man that will beat or force a woman doesn't have any self control and rape is horrible, death is worse. Get out and get help if the question has to be asked.

Great points! Sure I agree that forced, physical violent sex is rape. But why wouldn't a woman tell her man to take a bath then he can "have her"? For that matter what about the woman that has sex with any man but her husband? Sorry that's not what the thread is about, my bad

Baa baa black sheep have you any wool today? Sheep have for centuries provided wool and meat for the table, many cultures were based on sheep farming and ranching economies. Yet I have never seen any thing close to an act of terrorism on herds of sheep by humans; but have seen snow covered acres turned red with the blood of dead and dying sheep. I have also had to walk those acres with the 22 shorts and put these ripped to pieces animals out of their misery. Coyotes will and do kill for fun, like watching a cat and mouse game. Those sheep were wasted. But then I have also seen the prize calf with its tongue swollen to suffocation because "Fido, Fifi, Mutly and all the other neighborhood dogs had rights to and were allowed to run and pack at night. I also got the privilege to end my prize registered calf's live to stop its suffering. Oh, the vet said he would have done it, but it would cost more. That calf and others were wasted. Then there also were the times we were sworn in to uphold the law and then drove about in trucks shooting any dog that wasn't behind a fence or tied to something because they were packing and attacking children. Doesn't bother me those dogs were "wasted". I have seen the snow melt exposing dead deer and antelope for as far as the eye can see, starved; winter killed, wasted. Aggressive hunting programs help control the populations so this doesn't happen. I have also seen it impossible to garden because the deer population is so high only extremely expensive fences will let the vegetables grow. It's like the South Park episode when the exiled Stan finds the secret PETA compound where they marry their animals lovers. The PETA leader says Stan doesn't love animals to which Stan replies " I love animals just not like you"

First a big cheer for Chatty and her bravery for posting some very unpopular points! No does mean no, but is there a point of no return where once crossed, no by itself is not enough? Like a man and woman in bed, nude and right at the moment of penetration the woman says "no", could that be just a little past the "no" stage? Don't laugh as there are rape cases like this, and the only "forcing" was penetration. Then there is the ridiculous over complicating of laws and definitions that confuse the matter. I would think things should be held to some simple tests, like was the woman forced against her will? That would be rape, or how about was the woman placed in a situation she had no choice (even if it an emotional no choice) to perform or else? A woman drinks to much and isn't smart enough to have teamed up with a trust worthy friend has crossed lines she never should of. The slipping of a date rape drug should be treated equal to forced rape. And "babe" teachers having sex with students should get the same treatment as my high school swimming coach got. He was caught, it wasn't talked about much and he was sent off for 3 to 5, the girl was 17 and a few months short of 18. How about tossing in some prostitution clauses for women that use "it" to get what they want? Be it from their husband or any other man? Rape is a horrible thing, but this society has long blurred the lines between what really is rape and making it simple for a man to have his life destroyed because the woman didn't "gain" what she wanted to get by using her body so sex becomes rape because she decides to lie and claim she said no.

I get out plenty and stand by the post

Do yourself a favor and start a thread " Reality Check Here", then maybe honesty will become your policy and you won't be trying to take other's free speech away. It's like the animal rights activists that were protesting deer hunting in Florida, the lead spokeswoman shouted we don't want our children taught to murder animals. Some backwoods looking hunter replied, you teach your children what you want, I am teaching my children some valuable life lessons. The two had quite a heated exchange while the TV cameras were rolling. At one point the woman shouted " I am a lesbian and don't have children of my own, the world's children are our children! To many times the reality of these agendas are floating in some weird twisted reality, some alternate universe. They always say we love animals and humans, but have no problem lowering the place of man to being equal with animals. Logic gives way to emotional (quite honestly) immaturity. I have known many veggies that were on their diets for self diagnosed health reasons. Quite wonderful people that often would sneak bites of meat at community cook-outs, the saying became:" we will have lots of meat if the veggies don't sneak it all". But I have never meet a veg*n that isn't all about their animal rights movement. If diet is the reason, why won't they wear leather? That is not a diet choice.

Are you saying animal life is equal to human life?

There is a prime example of secret thread killer rules posters aren't informed about from the beginning. Some circles call them control freaks......... Ron G, please submit posts on special 3x5 index cards so the controllers can approve subject matter before their precious subjects wonder where they don't want them to. But then, the reason I have trouble with animal rights activists (all veg*ns are) lies in the first time and the times that followed where their actions caused the putting down of more animals than I care to remember, because their animals had rights to. Now that's not the "proper" thread subject is it? " Be Free!!!!!!"

So, is it ok to post about animal rights activists, even if the subject isn't exactly that? I will get brave and jump in, remember Mork and Mindy the TV comedy? Mork (Robin Williams) went to the fridge and saw eggs. He would take an egg and toss it and shout, "be free" and the egg would smash as it hit the ground. That has been my real life experience when cleaning up after the messes the animal rights movements have left real people to deal with.

Do I have permission to reply here and before I do are there any specific special hidden rules I need to know about?

you couldn't be more wrong, nor more offensive. Control your thread and discussion and I am out of here.

And why not just come out and call me stupid? It is obvious why I posted what I did,

proof positive :unsure: :o

Then I will accept what you have "added" and bow out and allow you control of your thread. And Cool, I typed it right; but that isn't what this thread is about <_<

I have never fought cocks, nor were my Pits allowed to attack another animal. Now bulls are another story, yet that fighting always was survival. But I resent you putting all people in the same category, we are all not the problem and we are not horrible. Animals by nature are more cruel than humans ever thought of being and the only thing that has made them sweet is being domesticated by humans. Its like the time I saw where some horses were neglected and rescued from starvation at the same time a little 6 year old girl was taken from her bed in the night, raped, beaten to death and tossed in the garbage. Guess who got more jail time and bigger fines? Guess what story stayed in the front page the longest? It is like people making such a big deal out of a dog being out in the rain, chances are the same people drive right by homeless left out in the rain. My gawd, whole herds of wild life stand in the open in sub-zero weather and survive or die. It makes me wonder where some peoples' true priorities are when they put animals above humans

I sleep with socks toooooooooo

words fail, what a great man your dad was, he will be remembered fondly by many of us. If there is anything you need, please ask.

The dogs were breed for one thing and one thing only, though the fights are now illegal there is huge money in dog fighting and cock fighting and don't think your city or area is innocent in these highly organized and hidden abuses. Pit Bulls are extremely aggressive, that is what the breeders looked for. Now because man made the beast we destroy the beast and toss the whole breed? There are some out there that are not desirable breeders because of all things they have good disposition. Gentle and faithful dogs they are, without the inbred desire to kill anything its jaws can get a hold of. But it is the same as guns, guns don't kill, neither do dogs that are taken care of properly after they are properly breed. Pits when they are good are the best, and I have had them that wouldn't harm a fly , unless the fly attacked one of me or mine. The solutions lie in destroying the "bad seed" and criminal charges equal to lethal weapon charges and even murder for the owner that just had to have a vicious dog to protect their more often as not illegal activities. Then the responsible breeders need to step up and breed back into the dogs the greater good qualities. Breeders all but destroyed breeds like the Irish Setters by breeder for only a single quality; that being looks. The responsible breeders started including genetic traits like brains and saved the breed. Pit bulls could have to carry papers (so to speak) that they came from responsible breeders that have a documented ancestry of gentle well mannered dogs. It is a myth that the training is all that determines if its going to be a good Pit or not, the breeding has made the majority of the breed to aggressive and most people are idiots when it comes to handling such animals.

But it is more blessed to give than receive! Let's just forget all those that have not because they ask not, and asking for this book isn't asking amiss.....

scuse me, you still hold them in to high of reguard. BG also lived one way and preached another? And the coffee smells great, The destruction their doctrines have caused makes them unworthy of honor, which includes $$$$$ And IMHO the book in question is a lot of ego by some very distructive cult leaders. You want the "package" you can pay for it.

Good argument if Brother Billie was living one life and preaching another like your CES friends. Now you go grow up.......

omnisciencent Interesting my limited free online dictionary refuses to define and it's not found in the bible. So, how about defining terms, so the slow among us (me) might keep up.