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Wait! Here's another Sledgehammer.

Suppose I told you that in session #3 I saw VPW scratch the right side of his nose 3 times in the first 3 minutes. Right side (side of blessing), 3 times 3 times 3 (completely complete) Bingo! Praise God! It's revelation! (Or maybe it's a sledgehammer. The choice is yours.)

Absolute nonsense. Wierwille being "totally into" something doesn't prove anything.There're not sledgehammer statements. What the heck is a sledgehammer statement anyway?

How in the world did you ever conclude that these phrases are divinely inspired? I don't care how long and intently you squint, there is nothing there to suggest what you are implying. It's your OPINION. Okay, we all have opinions.Just say it's your opinion. Problem solved. If you want to say your opinion is TRUE, however, you have to provide some sort of evidence , not some cyclical exercise in reasoning.

You're quite welcome. I probably should have posted THIS one instead. Heh!

The wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round...

Let's dance!

Please do.

Mike, it might help your cause if you stopped labeling your case as a manifesto. That's simply self-serving glorification. Perhaps in a semantic sense it is a manifesto. We don't really know because we haven't seen it. Maybe if you just said "Here's what I believe." and then (This is the important part.) provide some reasons why, people would be a bit more receptive.

The "pure evil model" is an invention of Mike. Its purpose is to generate an "us against them" scenario. Lots and lots of people have come to GSC and acknowledged that, along with the bad, they also had some good experiences and met some genuinely good people. I am one of them.None of that excuses or justifies the other side of the story. edit: spelling

Don't worry. He'll never post it. That would open the floor to honest debate.

Examples, please. One or two would be just fine.

Add a word, subtract a word....hahahahahahahaha!

On the contrary, Mike. I'm from Ohio (like Wierwille) and have used this idiom my whole life. In Ohio, we add "necessarily" to introduce an element of vagueness. Its meaning is quite different than what you think it is. Its something along the lines of "maybe yes, maybe no" or "Maybe. Maybe not." I'll rephrase that passage using non-Ohio vernacular. "Is all that Wierwile writes God breathed? Maybe yes, maybe no."

We'll never know what went through his mind or what his real intentions were. Personally, though, I tend to believe he was a bit like Harold Hill in The Music Man.

'68 Opel Kadett. Had only 3,000 miles on it. I paid $1,400 cash. I put a Mini-8 (8 track tape deck) in the glove box and added some speakers. THIS is the kind of stuff I listened to, cruising around empty city streets, late at night.

PLAF negates itself quite nicely without any divine intervention.

But it's anecdotal evidence...Who can possibly argue with that? /s

Exactly. In earlier threads, from years gone by, he has claimed it's the original PFAL materials. Now he claims it's the finished written form of the collaterals. I guess it's whatever will suit his purpose at a given moment. The God Breathed Bible concept is fueled by circular logic, using the Bible to prove the Bible.

Someplace in this thread, Mike stated it's the final written form.

...and so, as the sun sets slowly in the west

I'm perfectly clear on what you're saying. I simply don't agree with you. Do you see the difference?

Mildly interesting story. Has nothing to do with the current line of discussion.

Here is what you said only minutes ago: "The greatest secret in the world today is that “the Bible” (the finished PFAL writings) is the revealed (written) Word of God. " Do you see the word "finished" in there? Yeah, me. too.

Gee, imagine that, bringing a thread back on topic. What a novel idea.