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This means nothing to me, so this argument is moot. Regardless, whether or not this means anything to you does not make the argument moot. Did you take the PFAL class?

II Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is God-Breathed (theopneustos)".

We're not talking about "many (other) things in life", though, are we?

Which further illustrates my point that it's circular, self validating.

That's my point. And yet, within the context of those letters, he declares that everything he writes is God-Breathed. It's self validation and a great example of circular reasoning.

Do you honestly not see how this is circular?

When did Paul's writings become "scripture"?

There are a couple problems with this approach. 1. I may be remembering incorrectly, but, in PFAL, Wierwille says (I'm paraphrasing.) "All means all, from Genesis 1:1 through Revelation 22:21." Later, perhaps in another teaching, he invokes the "foreknowledge" angle to explain God already knew what would be included in the canon as he was inspiring it. (Not that I place much value on VPW's opinion but that's another matter.) *Someone please correct me if I am remembering this wrong* 2. There are many demonstrable, historical and scientific errors in the Torah. Why would God inspire scripture that lacked integrity? If you're using the Torah as the gold standard of what is and what isn't God-Breathed we might have a problem. 3. Scripture, in the least common denominator, means something that has been preserved in textual form. Does that not describe Paul's letters? If it doesn't, that would mean that Paul's words were devoid of authority until they were incorporated into the Bible.

Why, that would be none other than Paul, himself. (See II Tim. 3:16 for further elaboration.) Sounds a bit circular to me. I'm just sayin'.

Here's an interesting discussion we had about Paul.

Did somebody say ramblin'?

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You do have to admit, though, it has a more melodic sound than "I am a chump in a mighty scam".

For most people, I would venture to say it's a combination of both, usually biased in one direction or the other. Finding an acceptable balance seems to be the problem that vexes most.

Covenant An annoying insect that pestered a '60s rock band featuring Ozzy Osborne.

I think the point being made here is that Jefferson did not believe in the supernatural.

And now for something totally outta sight, man...HERE

I had a pet rock that got more revelation than Wierwille. The man was a blowhard. Happy Fathers Day to all.

It's his own personal take on what the mark of the beast is. He offers no solid historical or scriptural basis for his opinion.

As far as I know (which is a short distance) there is nothing in the Bible stating we are in The Grace Administration. Sure, there are verses that could conceivably be privately interpreted as such, but nothing that actually states this.

We ran a mile every morning at 5:30, ate communal meals, followed a ridged schedule and were expected to follow the orders of leadership without questioning. One might say that it had military undertones, but there was no military training per se. Also, by the 980's, the program had been disbanded. I think the last group graduated in 1978 or 9.

"This is absolutely no different than how native tribes come up with folklore. Manually filling in the detail through imagination where only the sketch of an outline truly exists." "Jesus wept." ...I think we ought to take that verse and build a whole doctrine around it. We could create a youtube channel that dramatizes the doctrine with live actors. In the opening scene, we see Jesus attending a twig fellowship, having been witnessed to by a very attractive young female WOW Ambassador. In a later episode, and without warning, he discovers he's been the victim of the old *date & switch* routine. Then, an unseen Ron Howard, acting as the narrator, proclaims with a rueful voice... "Jesus Wept".

Inerrancy is only possible if you allow for a dispensational approach to the scriptures. Without it, there are contradictions. This is one of the big things that was stressed in the PFAL class. "They only seem like contradictions because you fail to recognize who they were addressed to, etc" (dispensations)

Dispensationalism is a rationalization. It's a way of explaining away the very real contradictions that exist in the scriptures. It's a way of deluding yourself into believing the scriptures are inerrant.