waysider

Dove--------Do you not realize that by only quoting part of what I said you have changed its' meaning? This thread most certainly should include PFAL when citing examples because that is where the precedent was set for the practice of selectively teaching. And yes, PFAL did promise to help us find "a more abundant life' and certainly you must remember the teachings that ensued on the various meanings of the word "life". One , as you may recall, was "life in every respect". The ice cream store/car repair references serve no purpose other than to detract from the heart of this discussion which is "were or were not there examples of 'selective teaching' used in TWI? And no, I not talking about where someone may have presented secular teachings on subjects they thought might benefit the body. I am referring to teachings that were expressly presented in a manner that suggested they dealt specifically with Gods' Word. Again, if that is not what the original poster was referring to,please correct my misunderstanding.

I,too, was around in the '70's. The dichotomy of values was already in place. It was not nearly as visably because the hierarchy was so small in comparison to the number of people at the twig level who,for the most part, had genuine desire to see the Truth as they knew it become a living reality. Much of what happened I only now am starting to understand as I look at it in retrospect. But yes, many of these things being discussed were in fact already taking place in the '70's.

Dove--------If I may kindly point out, Skyrider did not call the scriptures adolesent . The context of the post suggests that the appoach was adolesent. Yes, it would be foolish to think that by going to the ice cream store one might aquire skills in car repair. May I again point out that we are not discussing car repair. We are discussing a class that promised to show us how Gods' Word could be used to benefit our lives. It many respects, it failed that mission. Even a brief review of "The Green Card" would prove that out.That has already been done here. The recent discussions of "harmony in the home" are just one example. But again, the focal point of this discussion should be whether or not there was selectivity in teachings. And yes, I'm interpreting that to mean the PFAL class as well since it was always referred to as the "foundational" class or a primer for subsequent teachings. If I am wrong in thinking that is what the original poster had in mind, I welcome the correction.

All she needs now are some pointy, red cowboy boots

Just the other day, my grandson, Cletus(that's his name) was whinnin' and carryin' on about how his new game thingy wouldn't let him get to the next level(whatever the heck that is).I looked him straight in the eye and said "Cletus(that's his name), when I was your age I lived in a commune and slept in a room about the size of your Aunt Minnies' outhouse. There was little else to eat except for birdseed which the city folks called millet and some strange stuff we called familia . I always thought that was a queer kind of name since it didn't look at all familia' to me. "Oh, Grandpa,said Cletus(that's his name),you tell the best fairy tales. How about tellin' that one about that guy who was King Of The World and could make stuff happen just by thinkin' about it?" "Not now, Cletus(that's his name), I have to get all these little hs's and big HS's copied from my old Holy Book into my new Holy Book so's I can stand approved before "The Big Guy". "Who's The Big Guy?, asked Cletus(that's his name)" Why, my twig leader, who else?" said I. Geeze, these kids today don't know nothin'!

Every time I see one of those TV specials where someone tears down an old wall and releases some poor spirit who has been trapped behind it for centuries, I become even more and more perplexed. After all, even Casper was able to pass through walls and he was one of the FREINDLY ones! Plus, he had his own TV show and theme song as well. I guess the ones with reduced abilities must be the ones to be wary of. OOPS---Got to go. I hear someone moaning to get out of the linen closet. I hope he doesn't want me to open a window, it's freezing outside.

"McDonalds is my kind of place(clap clap) they serve fried rattlesnakes---------" OOPS---Sorry, I was just remembering how we rewrote their jingle for them. I don't remember the numbers either but I seem to recall the sign originally said"xxxxxxSERVED".(not SOLD) I wouldn't swear to it. It just seems that way. We used to go there to hang out in the parking lot. The whole idea was to find a parking spot at the back of the lot and back in. ALWAYS back in. That way you had a clear view of whoever pulled in the lot. We parked 3 or 4 cars side by side and prepared ourselves for future rounds of "Name That Tune". You had to buy something to stay so hot chocolate was the #1 choice. It was cheap and because this was a wintertime activity it served a function of providing heat. Guys with "hot" cars used to drive around and around the parking lot in counterclockwise circles. We called them "piston heads." (A "head" was a person who was obsessed with something,later on it was specifically with drugs). We joked that their tires probably wore out twice as fast on the left side from driving around in circles. I wonder,too, if any of this would have happened if they had provided inside seating. All they had was a walk-up counter. It would be interesting to research whether tire sales figures dropped when they added inside dining.

What is "inflow outflow"? (No responses from plumbers or septic tank workers,please!)

You got it Bluzeman_____ None of us are free if one of us is chained none of us are free. This line typifies a technique used in blues lyrics where one sentence runs into the next and the punctuation that seperates them is not so easily discerned. "King" Solomon Burke has an extremely powerful version on his "Don't Give Up On Me" CD.

Rascal-------You asked about a buffer zone where no unspiritual were allowed to dwell. I remember quite well and this was part of what I was referring to in my post n the "Impossible To--------" thread when I talked about people being tossed out in the middle of the night if they dared to question authority. This wasn't just a "don't come back to our little twig" kind of thing. This was "get hundreds of miles away before the sun comes up" type of thing. I think this is a face of "the way" that many people never even dreamed existed let alone were exposed to. Scriptural references? Yep. Lots of them were given at the time. There always seemed to be some kind of way to rationalize this type of thing but I suspect that to be true in any cult.

"HHHHelp Mr. Wizard!!" Tooter would exclaim as the wizard would utter those words which would activate a tjme vortex that would spin Tooter back to his home in the present. The lesson that Tooter learned from his adventures was that the grass only seems greener on the other side of the fence. In my hometown it was run with the"King Leonardo and His Short Subjects" show.The show also featured a segment called "Fractured Fairy Tales" which was narrated by Edward Everet Horton. Good call, highway29.(Itchy Brother and Biggie Rat are here beside me and they are both saying---------"Next!!"

Trissen trassen trossen trome. Time for this one to go home.

Is that Archie B. speaking to Gloria?

There is also one called ROTO-ZIP. I used one recently to do some work that would have otherwise required a router. It is very similar to Dremel and ,in fact, some of the accessories are interchangable.

That would have to be "Katmandu"--------------Bob Seger You better listen my brother "cause if you do you can hear There are voices still calling across the years And they're cryin' across the ocean And they're cryin' across the land And they will until we all come to understand

The Highway---------Re: VCR's in 1978. In the early 70's, TWI had video tape PLAYERS. They had no recording capability. They were quite large and bulky. I remember them quite well because ,in the course of shopping for a used car, one of the primary features the car had to have was a trunk large enough to easily transport the machine. I think I settled on a 1969 Mercury. Everything in those days was always viewed with the ministry as a crucial factor in decision making. (Is there enough trunk space for the VTP?, is this apartment big enough for fellowships?, will this job offer conflict with class scheduling? and on and on.) As to where the said video may have come from: A very prominent sports program director, Bud M*rgan, was associated with TWI in the early '70's. You may recall he was responsible for the "Rock Of Ages,'71" film that was used for public ex.'s. It is only speculation on my part but since he was part of the ABC production family at the time, he may have also played a part in this production being made available to VPW. Maybe ABC has it in their archive but it was common practise back then to record over previous shows to save money on production costs. Who knew anyone would be interested in it 40 years in the future?

motherof2----------I am probably the worst person in the world to try to help you find things here. There are people,however, who are expert at helping you navigate. The questions you have asked have definite answers and have been discussed at great length here including JCING. I know from experience that family relationships can have a big impact on decisions one makes. Mostly I just wanted to say "welcome" and don't worry about whether something is too controversial.(someone is sure to let you know if you have touched a sore spot)

So much of this reminds me of the old "frog in a frying pan" analogy so many of us have heard. If you put a frog in a hot frying pan he will hop right out. If you put it in a pot of cool water it will swim around happily,oblivious to the fact that you are slowly raising the heat until it's much too late. Maybe I should post this on the "in the kitchen" thread :blink:

We had a place called Royal Castle. They had tiny little burgers that were good for about 2 or 3 bites.You could buy them by the dozen if my memory serves me. They also featured a soft drink called Birch Beer which had a very distinctive flavor of its' own. They had gigantic cinamon rolls and freshly squeezed OJ. I don't remember the price of the burgers but it must have been about a dime each due to the small size.(This is not to be confused with White Castle which is a chain that is currently in business.)

Sorry George----------There are some distinct similarities but this one is from a later era. Clue:---Another very long running and popular current show spun out of this one.

Piper-------Not a derail by any stretch. It sounds like you are starting to see what was really going on. You wanted to be your best for God. You saw it as a strength. They saw it as a vulnerability(IMO). If God really does look on the heart, I think you may be ahead in that race.(by several lengths)

Iffen youze don't mind, could we get smore clues?

Motioning to studio audience the show hostess says: "Go Home! Go Home!"

Grabbing at straws here. Sounds like Hogan's Heros.

Advanced Class 1973--------Vpw declares there are various levels of spiritual understanding with which "The Word" can be received and understood. 1)Milk------ For new babes not yet ready for "heavy" spiritual truth 2)Meat -------For those who have reached a level that deems them worthy of bigger spiritual truths. Christian Family and Sex--------Approx. same time. Vpw,in discussing the "Original Sin", declares"I have no scriptural proof for this but you will have to trust that this is what God has shown me" He then proceeds to describe how Adam masturbated and both he and Eve consumed the "fruit". I heard this teaching many times when I was the designated "instructor". No scriptural proof and yet we bought it . Why? We didn't want to be seen as babes only worthy of milk and don't forget what led to Eves' deception. As for pointing out that it has no scriptural basis: Try that one in Fellowlaborers. Be sure to set your alarm clock for 4 a.m. because that's about the time you will be awakened and informed that the MOG has received revelation that you are to leave the program immediately and never set foot in the state again."Thus saith the Lord." If you don't think these things happened I am quite sure there are some here who could verify.(not that I am volunteering their statements)