waysider

OK, I'll admit I don't always agree with everyone posting and I'm pretty sure they could say the same of me. But "stone cold hearts"? "Hate and destroy all thoughts of good"? That sounds a tad extreme not to mention a little too overly generalized in my opinion. And like Todd Snider says in his song by the same name,I think I'm an "Alright Guy".

Kathy-----The "hippy" guy in those videos is a very young Paul Oscher. He actually lived in Muddys' basement along with Otis Spann. He played in the band for 4 or 5 years. Muddy taught him to play guitar and bottleneck and he learned piano from Otis. He didn't need any instruction in the harp dept. Today, he does a solo act where he plays guitar and slide while blowing harp from a rack(neck mounted holder.) He has a very rich voice but ,unfortunately,(for us anyway) he doesn't get east of the big river too often. The harp man on the other video is George Smith. That tape doesn't even come close to showing what he was all about. He is the undisputed Godfather of that fat sound he taught to guys like Wm. Clarke,Rod Piazza, Kim Wilson and the list goes on and on. If anyone every said an unkind word about him, I don't think it has found its' way into print.

Here is my take on the last few posts:(paraphrasing) Oldies said he believed VPW and TWI were truthful in what was said and done. WordWolf said he did not accept that statement to be accurate. TempleLady said let God sort it out. ( I took that to be God would be the judge of what was true or false.) I can see how confusion could enter into the meaning of what was posted but I don't think anyone was suggesting blind obedience because God would sort it all out eventually. That's my 2 cents-------fire away (ducking)

Hey Kids! Amaze and dazzle your friends with useless(but fun) trivia! I heard an interview today with Bruce Iglauer, founder of Alligator Records, on XM Bluesville. It seems that when Lonnie Mack purchased his new Flying Vee back in the age of dinosaurs (serial # 7, which he still plays today), he decided to outfit it with a Bigsby Tremelo Arm. He used it to record his now legendary tune"Wham"( our younger posters may be more familiar with the cover by SRV). Hence, the term "whammy bar" was born. That and $1.23 will get you--------Well, there must be SOMETHING it will get you! Chatty-----It sounds like lot's o' fun . BTW. Muddy Waters used to do a tune called something like "Goin' Back To Florida(Where The Sun Shines Everyday)"

HMMM!--------Think I'll have to pass on this one lest anyone mistake the title for a quote by myself.

Linda Z-------I agree with you 100% about Cleveland in the early '70's. We had some really great people, fellowshipping because that's what they wanted to do. As I'm sure you know, several have departed this life. It would be hard to imagine an area that size sustaining a branch today and yet we had not one but two. There was a genuine concern for each others welfare and we had lots of good times without the blessings or interference of HQ.There weren't very many children back then except for yours, Michelles', Jim and Jackies' and a few others that escape me at the moment. Heck, we weren't too much more than kids ourselves. When I left in '75,,It was like I had crossed into some kind of twilight zone. Suddenly I saw a whole other aspect of the ministry that I had never seen before. Still, I wasn't aware that what I was seeing was as widespread as it proved to be. Much like you, I really drifted away gradually more so than having a decisive moment I can point to as my exit. I thought a lot of the "off the Word" stuff I was seeing was isolated and never imagined it permiated so deeply into TWI. I am thankful we were both there to see the good times but somewhat saddened by what was to follow. I think that rather than comparing length of stay to good or bad memories, it might be more accurate to compare how far ones' quest for growth took them from the point of origin, not geographically, but more in terms of involvement in the operation of the organization.

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Here are 2 words I would like to throw into the mix:Brain Washing. Oh,sorry,Brainwashing is only one word. Never mind, back to the discussion of why memories often vary.

Chatster------Sounds like you've got your "Mojo Workin".

Mr. Strange------Very fine stuff, indeed. When you listen to a group like Audience you never really think to yourself"Gee, listen to how many notes they can cram into the solo." It's all about the total effect. I don't have the capability to post anything more than text but if I did I would post "Indian Summer". I think a lot of people would be taken back by the impact this type of material can really have. I really think that the Beatles also had that kind of influence also on how people listen to music. There is a movie/dvd that came out a few years ago about the house band that played on dozens and dozens of the Motown hits that are so much a part of our musical history as a generation. It is called "Standing in the Shadows of Motown". It gives a behind the scenes look at how a core group of musicians created that sound that defined the Motown sound. Highly recommended. But I have veered off course. I still don't know if this is the tune CaDreaming had in mind.

Thanks, Ca.----------Were the "da,da's a clue 'cause if so, I would have to be a hog here and jump right in with "You're not Smiling"-------Audience (One of the greatest unknown bands of the '70's) I heard they have some new stuff out that I am going to check out. Until then,though, I wouldn't go near the house on the hill!

You are so close, Mr. Strange(and you know that can't be bad). The cigar remains unrewarded.

Ok----It would seem that perhaps CaDreaming has stopped into a church I passed along the way. Here's a quick and silly one while we are waiting for CaDreaming. Yeah,Yeah,Yeah Yeah,Yeah,Yeah Yeah,Yeah,Yeah,Yeah

Eagle-------Kudos! That's exactly 100% more books than I have written.( and close to how many I've read.) My grandson Cletus(that's his name) Is fixin' to fetch me up one soon's the new version is printed. Could you keep us updated on that as it happens?

I think it may have been Patrick O'Henry who was quoted as saying: "Give me Guinness Stout or give me---------ummmm-----Guinness Draught!"

I for one am just glad Dylan(Bob Dylan, not Dylan Thomas) was still able to record"Blonde on Blonde" while the title still had some significance.

As I recall, the initial intent of this thread was to discuss whether or not teachings we received in TWI were or were not selective in nature. I also believe we have established that the term "teaching" goes beyond what is publically expounded or presented in written or recorded form and therefore should be understood to include what is taught by example. One poster has stated on post #98 "We know what was in Wierwilles' heart by what he taught--------" Its' difficult to disagree with that logic when weighed with the understanding of what "teaching" is. Food for thought: Proverbs 4:23------Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life. A man of God who has genuine concern for the well-being of those to whom he ministers would be wise to heed those words and foolhardy to disregard them.

Let me see if I understand this correctly. One poster states( in essence) that it is his opinion that VPW partook of activties and actions that were unbecoming of a man of God. A quick glance at I Timothy would reveal that a man of God should be above reproach. Hence, poster number one seems to have a valid point. Poster number two states(in essence) that "Christ in you" should be the criteria for evaluating said man of Gods' faults and shortcomings and that Chrisianity is about what is on the inside, not what is manifested on the outside. Well now, here is the dilemma. The man of God whose character is in question is one and the same who told us holy men of God spoke as God moved them. So, Do we go with what Timothy spoke as he was inspired by God or do we chalk it up to "Christ in you" gives one a license to do as they please and credit it to Grace? You see the men of the bible who were cited here bore one very striking difference to VPW. They actually acknowledged that they had fallen short of walking a perfect walk.

I can just hear the conversation now. "Can I get you anything Ma'am?" "Why yes, an industrial size can of Febreeze." "OOPS! never mind." And like the kids say: If you protest you smelt it, you probably dealt it.

"God worked with them(David, Solomon and Saul) to communicate tremendous truths that are ever enduring." Perhaps the answer lies in the opening of that quote where it is stated"God worked with them." Nikita Krushev memorized all 4 Gospels and could quote them verbatim. There were many great truths revealed in his quoting but since he ,by his own admission , did not believe them, it is unlikely "God worked with him" and thus these truths were obscured by his dilution of their importance. BTW-----In the interest of preserving "mathmatical accuracy" allow me to point out that the inverse of "selective teaching" is "selective hearing."

"Might as well throw out the entire bible because the whole thing was written by imperfect, sinning humans." Oh My!----- Have we so quickly forgotten session 2 of PFAL ? Isn't it there that the good dr. himself teaches us that all scripture is God breathed? Does he not then expound upon how all scripture is profitable? Does he not tell us that it is for the purpose of doctrine, reproof, and correction? Is it being suggested then that VPW spoke and wrote as The Holy Spirit gave him utterance? Herein,perhaps, is where the discrepancy lies. Even IF the PFAL class had been given from God, it most surely was given to someone other than VPW . The proof that PFAL was not VPW's own work has been quite extensively documented. Yes, the "writers" of the bible were imperfect human beings but according to what we were taught, their words were given by God.And since the original intent of this thread was to explore the possibilty that followers of TWI were subjected to "selective teaching", allow me to resurrect the memory of session 3 of PFAL in which VPW himself illustrated how Psalm 14:1 could be used to "selectively" prove the non existance of God. Psalm 14:1 clearly states"there is no God." Of course, anyone who remembers this segment of the class will also remember that this twisted meaning was accommplished by "selectively" removing it from the context which stated "the fool hath said in his heart, there is no God." VPW on the same level as David or Paul?------You would have to have some truly irrefutable proof for me to even entertain the possibility.

Wasn't it reported by someone here that upon VPWs' demise, Mrs. W. was heard to say"he was a mean man."? I suppose if anyone would have known, it surely would have been Mrs. W.

Be sure to save all those old parts just in case you decide to "pass it along" to someone else who is more intersested in its' collectability. If you have the original case, that would be an extra nice bonus.

If you grew some just for fun, would it be OK to say you have a Holly Hobby?

Sounds like Robbie Robertson. Am I on the right track?