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TS----Glad you picked up on that "starry notions" line. Here's another clue: Name an international airport located in Cleveland.

You are not alone on this one. It's what I like to call "trophy mentality". I don't know where I got the term but I think it describes the situation in a very concise manner. In the first twig I was in, we had someone who was missing an arm." Hey! kids! let's all believe for total restoration. Wouldn't that be a great trophy to show how we believed a miracle into being!" Ummm, no. It's just cruel to give this person false hope; not false in the sense that God can't heal, but false in the sense that we could somehow "believe" it into fruition. If God wants to give a person deliverance, that's his business and our believing can't alter the result either way. Then there was the friend of mine who took his own life. I was the one who found him. "If I had been 'listening to God', I could have raised him from the dead". Wouldn't that be a great big feather in The Ways' cap? TROPHY MENTALITY! Then there was another friend who suffered a chronic and very severe disability. He went to ROA looking for deliverance but instead passed away in the motel room. Shame on us. "Where was our believing?" We made The Way look bad by our inability to "believe" for deliverance. Hey, I could go on and on but I don't want to hog the screen. Oh, and let's not forget that if you aspired to becoming a "leader", the physical image you presented to the world should be one that represented perfection so if you "didn't clean up too good", as my Grandpa used to say, your opportunities were somewhat limited.

Well, the person I asked is also a sometimes GSC poster and they knew the song instantly so I feel like it's not really my turn but what the heck.(on behalf of dundat) Then, the busy years went rushing by us. We lost our starry notions on the way. If, by chance, I'd see you at the tavern, We'd smile at one another and we'd say----------------- Hint: It knocked "Hey Jude" off the number one spot on the charts in a bit of twisted irony.

Johniam------- No offence intended but just because something was on a Sunday Night Service tape neither validates nor invalidates the information presented. In fact, to initiate the validation process one must first "consider". Since consideration was viewed as a part of the failure process,there wasn't much room for anything other than blind acceptance. Further, studies such as the one you referenced should never be isolated in such a way as to produce a biased or slanted perception of the results or their impact on the issue being examined. John,don't be afraid to consider and initiate the validation process of what we were taught in The Way. God will not punish you for simply trying to reach a more accurate understanding of the many things we were taught that may or not be accurate. Edited to add: Hey, Roy, we could use one of your "holy hugs" right about now,Bro.

JohnIam------ May I inject that the word"fear" is a generalised term that applies to a number of specific conditions? Take natural fear ,for example. People have "natural" fears of such things as loud noises and the sensation of falling. They are part of the survival mechanism that comes as standard equipment. Learned fear is fear that results from experience. For example, a small child curiously touches a hot surface and "learns" it is to be avoided. Again, our basic equipment includes this instinct. It does not always require a conscious thought process. The type of fear referred to in PFAL is neither of these. It is a variety of fear that requires mental consideration and may or may not include the two types already cited. The basic premise presented was that having doubt would foster worry and that worry, in turn, would produce fear. The premise carried this one step further in stating that these types of fears will ultimately manifest themselves in the very real world in which we live. The Way taught(maybe still does) that you as an individual controled your own destiny by manipulating this "principle" either to your advantage or against. It has been documented in medical studies(I am not citing any because they are relatively easy to find by someone who has a genuine desire to do so.) that a persons' mental attitude and outlook on life can have physical effects on ones' health. It's certainly no secret that stress plays a powerful role in physical health. To say someone contributed to their own heart attack by failing to heed the dangers of limiting stress may be a legitamate observation to some situations. To say a child was killed because a mother feared it could happen is rubbish. You can't will things into or out of existance by simply thinking about them no matter how intense or irrational the thoughts may be. You can, however, prevent yourself from seeing the obvious by simply not initiating the process of consideration.(sometimes called "hiding your head in the sand") The axiom of doubt>worry>fear is like a carrot on a stick.Don't "consider" because that leads to "doubt",etc.,etc. The carrot is always out of reach but yet the prize appears to be attainable.

I tell ya, it's enough to make a guy scratch his own eyes out. I'd say it's a real tragedy but,in fact, it's all Greek to me. Oedipus Rex------by Sophocles(A classic tale of a man who kills his father and sleeps with his mother,from which the term "Oedipus Complex" stems.)

OK------The tune is "The Thunder Rolls" by Garth Brooks. BUUT! The reason I knew is because I ran the lyrics past someone at work and they said"WHAT! You didn't know that one ?!!" Therefore, I must disqualify myself from posting a new one.

Oh,yeah. Been there, done that. Many years ago, a friend of mine became ill with a life threatening condition. He came under heavy criticism from TWI leadership at the HQ level regarding his "believing". How could he have allowed it to happen? How could he not believe to get healed? How dare he seek help from medical doctors? Long story short, he died. Then he was blamed for his own death. Now to be honest, it may well be that his condition was beyond medical correction, but to suggest that it was all his fault is just cruel and ridiculous. My hope in posting this is that perhaps an "innie" will stumble on it and stop to consider what I've said. Oh, wait, I forgot that "considering" is the first step in a downward plummet.

Howdy, Michael B. I have to agree with you on that "too cheap" sentiment. I have always felt that if you are trying to learn to play trumpet or sax or trombone or some obscure instrument like guitar, a low quality piece of equipment can be fodder for discouragement. I do alot of mechanical work , so I feel the same way about hand tools. I always try to buy the best quality tools that will fit my budget. That is not the same as saying "buy the best quality tools". BTW----My wrench turning ability far surpasses my guitar skills. I'm not sure if that merits one of these :( or one of these :) . Now, when it comes to BONGOS, that a whole other issue, eh, Tom?

Lady yellow stamper with a fillet in the hamper Dying to finish the course Goodies for the table with a fable on the label Drowning in Miracle-Sauce Don't think I am rude if I tell you it's cat food Not even fit for a horse No use to complain if you're caught out in the rain Your mother's quite insane Cat food, cat food, cat food, again! "Cat Food"--------King Crimson

What would you give for it now?! But wait! There's more! Call now, operators are standing by! I remember a routine that Firesign Theatre did involving a game show where the winner opened the bag he had just won and announced"Hey! This is just a bag of sh!t!" to which the announcer replied"Yes, but it's a really GOOD bag of sh!t!" So, you see, The Waste was really just a cult. ("Yes, but it was a really GOOD cult!") Heck, maybe we were even the BEST cult that ever -----ummm------cult- ivated.---------or not. :unsure:

That's all relative to how you define "Country".

PHWEEEET! PHWEEEET! That was one of those paper gizmos that uncurl as you blow into them.

Are you referring to "playing" (as in playing an instrument ) or "playing " (as in CD's, albums,etc.)?

OK-----I'll go ahead and name it. Funk #49 -----The James Gang (Joe Walsh, Dale Peters, Jim Fox) Someone else take the next one, please.

The world is filled with people who will tell you whatever they think you want to hear. They do so to satisfy their own desires, whether they be financial, sexual or a feeling of control. You deserve better. Don't let this experience blind you to real friendship when it comes along. Be thankful the truth of the matter came to light.

A la P.------ Jukin' is a very general term derived from the root word(I wish you could see it in the original) "Juke Joint". A true "juke joint" is hard to describe. There is laughter, conversation,cigarette smoke, liquid refreshment flowing and, most importantly, live music played just as much as a backdrop as it is a feature. It's spontaneous and heartfelt. It's not concerned with whether a particular note or phrase conforms to musical convention so much as whether it comes from some place deep inside. It is constantly changing and evolving. Now, if that all seems too off the wall, it is also the title of a terrrific album/CD by a guy named Johnny Dyer who cut his musical teeth working on Stovals' Plantation in Miss. and is one of the few remaining representatives of music as it sounded in the old time juke joints.

Keith-----I think what you are describing could be more accurately called a phobia than a fear. (Yeah,I know phobia kinda means fear but there is a difference.) Your response takes on a pronounced physical reaction rather than a mental consideration. When you stand on that bridge, I don't think you really believe you are in danger of falling off the edge. You are having a physical reaction to a stimulus that you obviously know to be misleading. Phobias are common but that doesn't make them any less real or crippling. Doubt, on the other hand, is a mental process. To deny doubt is to deny the logical process that the mind naturally is programmed to follow as a method of seperating real danger from perceived danger. To say it is wrong to doubt because it will lead to fear and that the resultant fear will lead to failure is not only untrue, it is inherently cruel and manipulative as well as counter productive in the problem solving process. There is a type of therapy called "confrontation" that involves exposing a person to their phobia in a controlled and safe environment. If it is your desire to overcome it, perhaps this is for you. On the other hand, you might want to simply accept that this phobia is simply part of what makes you uniquely"you"like the color of your hair or eyes.

This next number is based on an old Chinese poem. We call it "Tu-Ning". Plink,plink,plink------plunk,plunk,plunk---------twang,twang,twang. :) Just funnin' Thought I'd see if anyone is still out there. Testing,Testing(Keep your eyes on your own papers.)

Re: "Pee on your hands before work." Many commercial skin products contain a substance called urea. This substance is also present in, well, "pee". Does that mean that "pee " on hands is equivalent to hand cream? I don't know the answer. When I was a kid people used to say that since penicillan is derived from mold, maybe a piece of moldy bread could be beneficial. I think they were speaking tongue-in -cheek. Or maybe they were just trying to get us to eat what otherwise would be thrown away. Either way, I think it is probably not advisable to pee on your GLOVES before work.

Human beings are preprogrammed with a defence mechanism called "fight or flight". Fear plays a vital role in helping us decide which of the two is the better option. Eliminating fear from the selection process is an invitation for failure, not success. "Doubt leads to worry, worry leads to fear." It's a clever slogan,no question, but simply jibberish at its core. It has no scriptural basis that I'm aware of. Doubt can be a positive thing if it leads to closer examination and a better understanding of the problem at hand. Stifling ones' concept of fear and restricting the practise of reasoning and doubt is an insidious form of mind control. As I have said before(and this is just my opinion) session #7 is an amazing lesson in how mind control and behaviour modification can be used for ulterior motives.

Bluzeman------Crowded House is the name of the group that did the song dundat posted. . My post is in a delayed order. On "guitar talk" I asked dmiller how he thought this song would sound if done bluegrass style and he informed me that it had already been done. So, the title is still not named. I did not answer because I instantly recognized it from our discussion on "GT".

Ahh, yes. Crowded House. Good tunes from the wacky Finn boys. Wasway-------When I saw your tune I had to chuckle because we recently talked about that one on "Guitar Talk". Try to imagine it with a banjo and fiddle. Yep, a bluegrass rendition. :blink:

Yes, indeed. It was The Matriarch of the Blues,herself, Miss Etta James who made this her signature song. The key clues were the reference to The Rock HOF. and the mention that the answer could be found in the "Romantic Oldies" thread. I think most people regard that version as being the "original" even though it technically is not. It is from her album by the same title. That album also has "Trust in Me" and "A Sunday Kind of Love". I check the CD out of the library a couple times a year.(Can you say "cheapskate"?)

"Normalcy" is highly over rated.