waysider

Hmmm. Is vacuum a secret code word for SNS tape? Aside to PB---------Harmonica players really suck!( and that's a good thing!)

Here's kind of a silly Eva C. story. About 5 or 6 years ago, I was at the public libary picking up a variety of CDs to listen to at work. People who know me understand why I scrutinize the "blues" selections . I saw this CD titled "Live At Blues Alley" and, without knowing anything about it, I added it to the bunch I planned to check out. I popped it in my player and was totally blown away with the emotional level it addressed. Curiousity persuaded me to investigate Eva's work and story. I still check her CDs out on a regular basis and never seem to tire of hearing her interpret these time tested songs.

Holy Cats, Jonny!! If I had realized you were just a kid, I wouldn't have been so rough on ya! Happy BDay!------------

God gives us free will. TWI is not a laison between us and God. Therefore the comparison is a moot point. TWI is/ was a CULT. As such, anything TWI demanded of us that contradicted the scriptures was a violation of the free will God gave us. Examples abound but the essence remains the same. TWI usurped our free will and must therefore answer to God Allmighty for the consequenses they effected.

Yep, I remember the teaching about a devil spirit named "Jesus" in the Advanced Class.(Early '70s) The way it was explained was that if we tried to talk to Jesus we could be inviting in a devil spirit by the same name. Pretty creepy stuff if you think about it. "Don't talk to your brother, you could get posessed if you do."( My paraphrasing.)

My, My, My. How soon, my little ones, we have forgotten it only takes ONE if it is done so because "Thus Saith The Lord." Let there be light.

This isn't aimed at you, Dooj.( you just triggered a thought) But, where did they ever get the idea that something had to be "edifying" to have value? Remember the movie in Drivers Ed. that shows a horrific crash scene?(movies are a form of art) It's not meant to edify you. It's meant to shock your common sense out of a state of mental slumber. Yet, if a new driver gives earnest consideration to the message, benefits are more likely to follow. Art is like that sometimes. It's not always meant to edify us; sometimes its supposed to sound alarms and send up warning flares. It's supposed to affect us a base level that runs the gamut from good to bad. For me, that's what music is about. Sometime one musician can speak volumes with one single soulful note while another more technically polished musician can play flurry after flurry of intricate phrases and "say" virtually nothing. I wish I could quote Shakespear. There is a line somewhere about an actor boxing with the air in an effort to convey the essense of a line to no avail because the essense was lost and consumed in concern over technique rather than meaning.

Pretty cool stuff, JJ.

CC Good question. I haven't honestly looked too closely at this. I think what they were meaning was "lift= relinquish". Still, is that semantically accurate? I mean, we denagraded the "Jesus People" because they used the word "rapture" but felt there was nothing wrong with using such expressions as "believer's meeting" and SOGWAP(son of God with all power) even though they are no where to be found in the Bible. I guess it must have been OK for us to make up stuff that wasn't Biblically founded because we were "The True Household." Ouch!--- I bit my tongue trying to talk while I had it in my cheek. Summary.---TWI can make up expressions and words that are not scriptural because they have a special insight to The Word. All others must subject themselves to scrutany governed by TWI standards.

"Sorry I went on and on."---------LvonB. If you think that was going on and on, you apparently haven't seen MY posts yet!! Welcome to GSC.

Darned if you do, darned if you don't. Now get out there and weed that Swiss chard!! Oops. Sorry. Looks like my believing for sunshine needs some improvement.

Well said, Mo. Sometimes our creativity hasn't really left us at all, it's just gone incognito and resurfaces in another persona. I liked the idea of"killing 2 birds with one stone" also. ILB(I'll Be! ) Yeah, I know what you mean. Lots of times it's not so much about the finished product as it is about the production process.

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Remember Dion from the '50s and '60s? On his website, diondimucci.com, you can click on "My Spiritual Journey" and read about how an episode of "My Journey Home" in 1997 led him to the Catholic Church. I know the focus of this thread is not really The Catholic Church but it's still a pretty interesting read for anyone interested in taking a "side trip", especially for those of us who have a fondness for music from the past. ps----My real name is Rumplestiltskin but mum's the word

When I first got "in the Word", I was a working musician/actor(ie: starving) My songwriting was quite prolific at that time. After I was told it was counterproductive to spew negatives, I virtually stopped writing. All these years later, I still haven't gone back to writing but I'm not sure that is because of the Way or because I now channel that energy into the instruments I play and find a creative outlet in improvisation. I have tried a few times to write again but it always seems contrived. Playing, on the other hand, seems to satisfy that craving to be creative.

I left a long time ago so my memories are of the early stuff. (both live at ROA and recorded) Stuff like PDST, Selah, Cookin' Mama, Paul Vergilio, Tom Lepinski, Barry McCoy,Timothy, Hope, Good Seed. Didn't Dave Brubeck play at the ROA one year? I think either he or his daughter had taken the class. There was a group in Cleveland that really kicked some butt too but left when their music was deemed too vague. At least that was the reason I had heard. I think they were called Jubal(like the first musician) All these groups had one thing in common, they were self governing and had room for artistic expression. Don't get me wrong, I think Joyful Noise and Branded , etc. had some great talent. But, it became clear that they were following orders that were being called in from the sidelines. I myself was in a little group as part of the Fellowlaborers program. One night at rehearsal, the limb leader, who didn't have any musical background that I am aware of, criticized the way we held our mics. and showed us the "proper" way to hold a microphone. Kinda ticked me off because I had been in the Musicians Union for about 10 years at that point and was pretty sure I knew the correct way to hold a mic. But, who was I to question a MOG?

The Way Fine Arts And Cultural Center Yeah, I remember that place. I think it was in New Breman. I could be wrong. Seems like I remember it being an old church or something that The Way was renovating to be a showcase for the fine arts. The Fellowlaborers went there when it was first purchased(1977?) to do a weekend work detail. We did the usual scrub floors and wash walls routine and had to sleep on the floor en masse in sleeping bags. (self provided) We did get some free meals which included the TWI staples of familia and apples and Swiss chard supreme ( or something like that). Then we got some big pitch about how if we really wanted to serve God, we needed to get our believing together to find sponsorship and go corps. It kinda reminded me of one of those "free" weekend getaways where you are cornered into listening to a timeshare sales pitch. I don't think the pitch was too successful, though, because by that time we were pretty well burned out on working secular jobs all week and then having to drive for hours on a Friday night to scrub toilets for free all weekend. Then we would get reemed if we didn't "see" how blessed we were to be given the opportunity to be part of such a noble cause. Of course, I did learn that The Way had a special connection to divine, artistic inspiration and that most of what "the world" calls fine art is really devil inspired. Now, where's that "puke" emoticon

Another Spot & Listener The door swings both ways. I have gained a lot of insight reading your posts. Thanks Waysider

LIFE IS TREMENDOUS!! (or was that "tumultuous"?) Never could remember.

A crowd of young boys are foolin' 'round in the corner Drunk and dressed in their best brown baggies and platform soles They don't give a damn about no trumpet playin' band That ain't what they call rock & roll. ('70s)

Happy BDay, Roy! :dance:

It give a whole new meaning to "hammer-on/ Pull-off".

I've Got The Music In Me Don't remember the artist. :(

I have a friend who, years ago, became involved with Young Ljfe. She then left them to become part of one of their splinters.(I won't name it for lack of permission to do so.) This group was very into control. They dictated who you could date, marry, socialize with and even dictated when it was permissible (or not) to have children. The life style was communal and sounded quite similar to a Way home. Sound familiar? They too, were convinced their take on things was the only correct viewpoint. We compare cult notes from time to time and the similarities are just downright creepy. So yeah, there definately are groups beside TWI that sanction an attitude of superiority.

quote: Wasn't "Go Now" Written by "Ozzie Osbourne" I did some snooping on this. It seems it was written by a guy named Larry Banks and recorded/ released by his wife, Bessie Banks in 1964. I never heard of either of them until now. The Oz man did it on an album of covers that included such unlikely picks as "Mississippi Queen". We return you now to the regularly scheduled programming.