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I remember hearing the shpiel on psychic surgery being taught at AC but I don't recall the film clips. Maybe I slept through that part. (Shhh!--- mum's the word!) I guess these spirits were supposed to be real high ranking and that's why they could do intricate proceedures. Along the same lines was the teaching that the only way to become a musical virtuoso was to sell out to the debul. The really intricate passages were supposedly played by the spirit in control. On page 19 of the AC silly-bus, there is a sketch depicting the various lobes of the brain and it shows which sections govern speech, hearing, etc. Yep. Include a sketch from an anatomy 101 book and there you have it, indisputable proof that debuls wrote all the symphonies and controlled the people who played them.

OK-----Here comes something that is only opinion---------- again. I think a lot of these man/woman concepts, that have languished in TWI for so long, came not from the Bible, but from the personal upbringing and experiences of the early leaders. Remember, VPW and associates came of age during the Great Depression and as such reflected the social mores and idiosyncracies of their generation. Somehow it got assigned some sort of Biblical basis and that was acceped as the "OFFICIAL" stance on related issues. You really have to disregard what has been taught or perpetuated in The Way( or any other group, for that matter) and look at what the Bible( or the holy scrit that applies to your particular faith) actually says about the roles that men and women are to fulfil in a marriage. Then, you have to try to understand that within the context of the society in which we live. It's no longer as simple as " Me Tarzan. you Jane".

"Why keep the site active?"---(paraphrased) Simple -------Maintain status quo. As long as they can perpetuate the impression of being an active organization, they can claim the associated benefits. There is plenty of revenue still untapped for those who have remained "faithful" to the organization.

Sorry, JJ, I'm a *Boomer*. I was already "Growed up" when I took the PFAL class in 1972. I got in for all the usual reasons. My exit was more of a fizzle that a bang. I cruised along at twig level for about my last 10 years and finally stopped going in about 1990 when family commitments took priority. I knew almost nothing about what had happened at the upper levels and was amazed at what I found out here at GSC. When I left(faded away) no one bothered to follow up on me despite all the "we sure love ya" stuff I had heard for so long. That was a bit disheartening. That's probably not what you were looking for. I hope some others from your age group post so you can compare notes.

I heard Mr. Wineg@rn3r, Sr. teach on this a couple of times. Mind you, I'm not denouncing nor advocating this as true. I'm simply stating what he taught. He gave no scriptural validation that I recall of. ------------------------------------------------------- Imagine ,if you will, in "3-D", an ice cream cone turned upside down. The cone represents eternity. God sits on top of the cone (which is actually what we think of as the bottom or pointed end.) A line starts at the top and spirals down the side until it reaches the bottom. This line represents what we call time. Man can not comprehend the scope of eternity so he has invented a way to measure out portions of it and he calls those portions "time" Because God is at the apex of the cone, he can see any given point on the spiraling line which represents time. Man, being a traveler on the spiraling line, is responsible for his actions and behaviour as he moves along the line. Not only does God observe, but he can see any point on the line thus he can see the future before it arrives though he allows man to travel freely along his way. ------------------------------------------------------------- This is a fascinating way to view eternity. The problem I always had with it, though, is it makes it difficult to reconcile the value of prayer. Why pray if God can already see the outcome? Is He merely an observer or does He have the ability to alter what happens on that line? Anybody else remember hearing F. & G. Wineg@rn3r teach these things as they moved about as "Roving Ambassadors"? This would have to have been many years ago as I believe both of them have been gone for 20 years or so.

You know you are in a cult when: You hear a commercial about a "sense of urgency" and you listen intently, only to discover it's another advertisement for bladder control.

"I wish I could shimmy like my sister Kate(Coco) She can shimmy like jelly on a plate" -----------Fats Waller--------------

First, let me state that I do not know this tune. Therefore: I found it interesting that I instantly recognized some of the lyrics as being used elsewhere. The opening line is also the opening line to: 1. 3o'clock Blues(BB King) 2. Talking In My Sleep (Crystal Gayle) The last line of the post is not only a line in a famous song but the title as well.("I'm So Lonsome I could Cry") It was done by: 1. Hank Williams(He wrote it) 2. Elvis 3. Johnny Cash 4.B.J. Thomas (big hit) 5. Cowboy Junkies 6. Skeeter Davis ( my personal favorite) And probably a dozen others I've not heard yet. And yet I don't know this one

Hi, Jacy. I have never heard of a children's version, either. Is it possible this was a local project, not sanctioned by HQ? Maybe you could do a search of the person who ran children's fellowship in your area and see if that turns up anything.

Yep. Did the "stretch the coffee" thing in Fellowlaborers. I was on breakfast duty for 2 years so I am guilty of lots and lots of stretching. You were supposed to put a pinch of salt on top of the new grounds to help cut the off-taste. Just for the record---------IT TASTES LIKE CR@P!!

Nah. That's her sister Mimi. The makeup was a giveaway.

Sounds like something from Becker. Same rhythm and tone.

Here's a wacky thought. Why not just buy the stuff the original authors put out and skip the middle vic---errr-- I mean middle man? Wasn't it VPW who was always saying,"I wish you could see it in the original".? Just tryin' ta save ya some cash!

Though I know that I will never lose affection For people and things that went before I know I'll often stop and think about you

It's old fashioned "rationalization". Back in the '60's, I used to write music. Most of it sucked but a few pieces weren't too bad. If someone took one of my songs and made it a hit(Not very likely), I would be thrilled. If they did so and claimed they had written the material, that would be wrong. Sure, it would be great if lots of people got to hear it. It would still be wrong. The "60's and '70's were laden with various radical groups that had specific agendas. The Symbionese Liberation Army and The Black Panthers are two that come to mind. These groups were willing to resort to violent, sometimes murderous actions to further their cause. One could rationalize and say,"Yes, we robbed banks and murdered people but it was to further our cause." The ends don't always justify the means. If you think Bullinger or Stiles or whoever had a valuable point to make that you would like to cite, do so and give credit where credit is appropriate. It's just plain wrong (and sometimes illegal) to pretend someone elses work is your own no matter how much "good" might possibly come of it. Just my opinion.

RRII Somewhat off topic. I grew up in the Great Lakes region so I'm probably more aware of the Coast Guard's contributions than someone who grew up in, let's say, Arizona. The CG has been around almost as long as we have been a country though they were not officially called that specific name until about WWI. I think part of the recognition problem people have is that the CG was never part of the Dept. Of Defense in a technical sense. Originally they were under the Dept. of the Treasury and then the Dept. of Transportation. Now, they are under The Dept. of Homeland Security. None of this diminishes the contributions they have made. I'm only mentioning this to point to why people have perhaps been less aware of the CG than other branches. As to the regognition of Memorial Day: Is it some how tied to the idea of not esteeming one day above another? I don't really know. It was just a thought .

OOPS! Out of time. Someone take my turn,please.

Two old maids were layin' in the bed One rolled over and the other one said, "Let me play with your poodle-------I mean your little poodle dog." ------------Marcia Ball-----------

Is it "Mack The Knife"--------Bobby Darin?

NY? I had never heard of zenu(Shhhh!--- I substituted "x" for the "z", don't tell anyone.) I must be in a cult 'cause I google it and it all seemed pretty far fetched to me. You might even say it seemed intergalactic. I wonder if Tom Croose agreed to appear in T@p Gun because his character got to fly a familiar craft? Just wondering.

Dot Remember that old saying,"All that glitters is not gold."? There are places in south eastern Ohio that are absolutely beautiful. Rolling hills, winding country roads and plenty of nature in its glory are the norm. Neighbors are few and far between. The tranquility can be misleading. There is very little employment opportunity. Some people have reverted to a survival mentality. Pot is actually considered one of the main cash crops. Meth. labs are becoming more and more common because they can go relatively undetected. If you were to accidentally wander onto a property where such activity was taking place, your very life could be at stake. Many of these properties are rigged with booby traps and tripwires Tree stands are not always used exclusively for deer hunting.( I'm not just parrotting the news media on this. I can relate personal experiences.) Groundwater(private wells are the norm.) has been damaged beyond belief by unscrupulous coal mining operations. Entire sections of Interstate Highways have been known to crumble into sinkholes caused by abandoned mines. If you took a day trip to this area, you would fall in love with the sheer natural beauty that abounds. My point is not to raise a flag of pessimism but to stress that it is important to do some serious homework before making a big commitment. PS--- I do not live in that area but have worked there extensively in the past.

You know you are in TWI if you find yourself asking, "Who's this Col. S@nders who looks so much like Uncle H@rry?" ( Not the other way around)

You know you are in a cult when: You find that things you once considered nonsense suddenly seem like brilliant insight because they are being uttered by "leadership".

Weather and traffic ( out of necessity) Hockey! Austin City Limits ( If I haven't already seen the show 17 times) Red Green Show ( in small doses) That's about it for me.

You know you are in TWI when it suddenly dawns on you that you know more kid's camp songs that the boy scouts, girl scouts, cub scouts, indian scouts , brownies, bluebirds and Mr. Rogers all combined. You know you are at a TWI owned hotel, when , upon requesting a roll- away, the entire desk staff breaks into a silly song, complete with wacky hand motions and then asks you if all your needs are being met. You know you are in TWI when you insist the recipe for familia was divinely inspired. You know you are in TWI when you think Swiss Chard is an exotic food. You know you are in TWI when you think getting stuck in grid-locked traffic is a great opportunity to "lift" the leadership and find yourself giving thanks for long lines. You know you are in TWI when the most important feature you look for in a car purchase is a trunk that is big enough for the vcr and tv to run classes. You know you are in TWI when you find youself repeating the phrase"en garde" to yourself everytime a nasty old unbeliever starts to voice an opinion that contradicts "The Doctor". You know you are in TWI when hearing The Doobie Brothers sing " Jesus is Just Alright" confirms your belief that they are from the wrong seed.