waysider

It just occurred to me that when I posted my musical analogy, I neglected to mention that a very large part of being about to improvise effectively is developing an ability to listen to what the others are playing without focusing on ones self.

Geeze. I don't get it. According to VP, we were ALL a bunch of "Keeeeds".

Ya see, here's the thing, Mr. Moore, You question why others did not stand up to leaders when they saw things they deemed to be wrong. Yet, in your letter of departure, it is clearly obvious that you, yourself, had difficulty with these types of "face to face" confrontations. I hope you don't take what I'm saying as a personal affront because I don't mean it that way. I'm just trying to point out that what seems, in hindsight, should have been obvious, is not always so simple in the here and now world we live in. Life is a whole lots more like a can of worms than a neatly organized tackle box!

Come now, Mr H., surely you're not suggesting that these "tapped in" individuals would have actually partaken of the fruits of your prankish nature. "Hevvy Revvy" would have sprung into fruition and exposed your dastardly plans. The shame of it all is almost too much to fathom!

I remember the stuff about a devil spirit named Jesus, also. I don't recall where it was taught. It might have been in the Advanced Class as it seems to fit the profile for subject matter. The "Lord God Almighty" thing. Tain't nuttin' complicated about it. VP just flat out screwed up that part of the session. That's why we were TOLD to gloss over it and (as the current expression goes), put a spin on it. I wish you could see this in the original!(class instructors manual, that is. )

Good Golly! I know I'm getting forgetful in my antiquity, but doesn't that playround, merry-go-round, chain link fence stuff sound like it came right out of James Dobson's "Dare To Discipline"? Ya know, there is an approach to musical improvisation that I like to call "riff playing". It involves learning a bunch of patented riffs and regurgitating them at places one feels appropriate. It usually sounds pretty good to the casual listener. Another approach is to "hear" a phrase in your thinking and then repeat that on your instrument of choice. This method is similar to what happens in vocal conversation. Sometimes patented riffs will show up but they are not the focal point of the creative proccess. For me, at least, I have always found the "hearing" method to be more satisfying than "riff playing". It's often not as flashy and technically impressive but it always leaves me feeling like I expressed my true self.

johnj Good post. Thanks for that site reference. I'm going to look at that a bit later.

That's how I recall it, also. As class instructors, we were given a canned "spin" and told to gloss over it. There was also another unusual statement somewhere(don't recall what it was) that we were told to fudge by momentarilly dropping the volume. AHA!---I just remembered. It's the place where he means to say "sits there like a diamond" but instead says "sits there like a duck".

"Tithing" might be a good place to start. (posting what one truly believes) It's one common factor we have all shared in this TWI equation. "Cancer= possession" might be another good starting point. Just trying to address the issue of credibility.

The Yardbirds----1968

I know you WANT an answer to this, but I'n not going to give it to you unless you can show me you NEED it. Oh, sorry. That's the "willingness and ability" thing. I get mixed up sometimes.

I can't remember the last time we watched TV together. (Not counting the morning news for weather, traffic and closings.) She likes "Lifetime", "Law and Order" and Sci-Fi stuff. Myself, I would just as soon put on some music and try to jam along. I never seem to get any better but I do enjoy it. Good thing we have a basement where I can do that.

Thanks, Jonny Don't know how I missed it but that's some pretty cool stuff. Biggest "steelie" I ever saw was just over 14 lbs.(not my catch) Yeah, I see the tie-in now to the anniversary thing. Two people sharing an activity they both enjoy, what could be better?

Jonny Could you point me in the direction of the clip you mentioned? I can't seem to locate it.

Electric Flag(1967)-----Wine, Wine, Wine!

"Goodnight Sweetheart"?----Don't know the artist

Is that last one "Get A Job"-------The Silhouettes?

I'm sittin' here with my grandbaby Clara Belle(That's short for Helen). She said "Golly Zed, Grandpaw, what about folks who can't talk on account of a physical problem? How do they confess 'with their lips' even if they do believe in their heart the raisin' up part? I said,"Now, Lambchop(she reminds me of the sock puppet on that old kid's show), maybe you best be askin' your brother Cletus(That's his name) on account of he knows a bunch about how A=B if C=12+73 or somethin' like that. Now where do you 'spose that youngen come up with a sayin' like "GOLLY ZED"?

HCW Re: Your post that talked of "hating" VP" or "being mad at him" for snookering his followers. I am not mad at him nor do I hate him. I do, however, recognize that I was snookered. That's a big obstacle that one must overcome in order to start to see what happened in the proper perspective.(IMO) It's like standing in front of the room at an AA meeting and admitting you are an alcoholic. "Hi, I'm Waysider and I've been snookered." (See there? I'm starting to feel better already.)

Well,now, let's see here. God told VP that He,God, would teach him stuff nobody had seen for 1,000s of years. Just to be on the safe side, though, maybe we better have the legal dept. check to make sure he didn't make this same promise to someone else. <_<

Here's an aspect of the work we did that I think is noteworthy. When we worked in the garden or "manna" food co-op in Fellowlaborers, we all knew that it was we, ourselves, who would benefit from our labor. Much of what we ate came as a result of the work we put into those two efforts. No "weeding of the chard"= No salad at the next weeks' supper table. We were the recipients of the product of our efforts. In that scenario, at least, there was a tangible benefit that was obvious to the participants. There were, of course, other projects that made no sense whatsoever. These are the efforts that are more difficult to understand in any sort of large scope. Am I correct to think that it is these efforts that are the focus of this thread? Just askin'.

Ummmm. Could you repeat the question?

Breakin' Up Is Hard To Do-----------Neil Sedaka