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I don't post my real name 'cause I'm scared I might find out nobody remembers me! :wacko:

Mills Brothers--Caravan(1930's?)This is totally acapella!

Some points to ponder regarding The Mills Brothers: 1. They were not a Gospel group. 2.They represented a segment of society that VP was trying to reach out to at that time. (African Americans) 3. They were essentially local even though they were internationally known. (They were from Piqua, Ohio which is near New Knoxville.) Not sure where I was going with that. Just some loose thoughts to mull over. Anyone remember "Foreordained"? (Also a Gospel quartet.)

To those who never saw it: I never saw it either. I saw blackened eyes, bruises, verbal tirades and even a broken arm. I saw a twig leader get convicted of child molestation and sent to prison. And this was all back in the "good old days". I still remember many of the names of those involved but wouldn't dream of divulging them. And yet, I didn't see it. I thought it was isolated and specific to our geographic area. There was no internet. We knew little about what went on in day-to-day life at HQ or in other areas. Besides, it happens across the spectrum of society. I never put two and two close enough together to realize that what I was seeing was part of a bigger picture. The Way twisted scriptures and promoted a way of life that fostered and nurtured this type of behavior in people who may have had an inclination toward it before their TWI involvement. Then, they used scripture to justify it and fear to keep it under wraps. But still, I didn't really see it for what it was. Good old"whats his name" in the OT never "saw" death. Still, it happened all around him. I don't even know if the teaching of that account was accurate but I think we all remember the point that was stressed when it was taught. I didn't see it either. Shame on me.

"D-" :(

YUUUUM! But just remember, at the first sight of Swiss chard, I'm down the road!

I, for one, haven't a clue what the answer is. I can tell you,though, that as a teenager, I dated a few gals who ACTED like apes.(and looked like chimps!) They probably feel the same way about me. AHH.--- To be young again.-----Sigh!

Will there be refreshments? :blink:

From 1953-------- Here's the ORIGINAL (Big Mamma Thornton)

Dang!!! When I saw the YID, I was all prepared to listen to some priceless gems of wisdom from an aging Grandma Hmmm! That could still be true,though, couldn't it?

Oldies------------- I don't think anyone really doubts that you had some good times in the old days. Lots of us did. I'm among them. Some of the people with whom I shared those good times post here on GSC. None of that negates the fact that lots of very unGodly activity took place behind the scenes where the average twig goer never had an opportunity to investigate. I never saw any of this stuff either until I left my local area(after 3 years of local involvement) to enter Fellowlaborers. Even then, I had no idea it was anything more than isolated incidents. Had I known how widespread and typical it was, I probably would have packed my bags, or at least I like to think I would have considered that course of action. The concept of closing one's mind to any conflicting data is quite typical of how cults are able to gain the allegiance of devotees. The Way not only admonished us to do this, they suggested that failure to follow this concept would result in tragedy.(hence the session #7 reference) In Fellowlaborers, it was strictly taboo to discuss doubts about the program or the ministry amongst ourselves.And, you never knew who would sell you out if you did. That's one of the reasons we would walk together(2 or 3 of us) under the cover of darkness to The Wayside Truck Stop and discuss our concerns during the trek,to and fro. Even the concept of searching the scriptures becomes a moot point when you stop to realize that you are using THEIR rules to do so. My personal recommendation is to stop trying to convince me your good times were real. You're preaching to the choir on that one. Instead, try to at least consider that the picture you saw may have been viewed through a distorted lens. There is no guilt or shame in admitting you may have been hoodwinked. Embarrassment, yes, but guilt and shame, no. food for thought.

It was an assignment we were given in night twig, the twig that met after after coming home from Limb Hq. Rich W. was my twig leader. It must have been "twig specific". Between that twig and lights-out, we often ran over to the Wayside Truck Stop for munchies and smokes. Hence the name "Waysider". (Plus, I like the ambiguity it suggests.) But, to answer your question,"did you actually do the assignment?"--------------

dmiller Session #7 was the one that taught the 5 steps the serpent used to deceive Eve. STEP # 1; She considered. Yes, boys and girls, you too can avoid being tricked by the adversary if you remember that you must not ever, ever, ever *consider* any viewpoints that contradict TWI doctrine. (It's just the adversary trying to get you to doubt that you know that you know that you know.) Literal according to usage: Put the blinders on and refuse to even consider any alternative train of thought lest ye be stricken with emrods and ye walk outside the protective bubble of God's protection where the adversary waits to devour all who venture too far from accepted(ie: TWI) doctrine. As far as I'm concerned, this was the glue that held the whole thing together. Four crucified, the more abundant life and broken cisterns were just Sunday School lessons in comparison.

You got it, George. Bring it on!!!

I for one, find it quite amusing that VPW thought he could actually walk on water. I heard another one that was equally as stupid. VPW gets to the throne of God and God says "you may enter the kingdom if you answer one question". Vp agrees. God then says, "can you help me understand this section in Eph. 3?" VARIATION: God then says "Can you minister to this pain in my back?" OK, GJ, I know that is off topic. ( The topic being how they expected us to do and say lame things for the sole purpose of promoting their cause.) I remember once in Fellowlaborers we had to smile and say "God Bless You." to every person we met that day. Yep. That's a foolproof method of convincing your coworkers you are not involved in something weird. NOT!!

But then again, maybe she LOST the arm-wrestling contest. Food for thought.

[quote name='oldiesman' date='Jul 5 2007, 09:42 AM' post='347535' He will gladly, share and post about every evil work committed in twi but doesn't allow "positive" and "godly" experiences and happenings of those of us who may want to share them. What does that tell you? It suggests to me that he has a purpose for his site that is specific and focused. It also suggests to me that he is aware that people wishing to have a forum-like discussion can find that type of activity at GSC. The real "poison" was session #7, Oldies. That's the session that teaches us to put on blinders and deny the reality all around us. If you won't even *consider* that to have some validity, you will have proved my point. We all know you had good times in the old days. I did, too. Lots of people did. That doesn't change or excuse what was really going on behind the scenes when a good many of us were out of the sight lines. STAGE DIRECTION----- Enter Oldiesman

GSG In that one, "Susie wore her dresses tight." And then, of course. there was also "Wake Up Little Susie". Hmmm. This Susie seem to have been quite a popular gal! No wonder she was everyone's childhood sweetheart.

PS-----I dig the Newton quote in your signature.

I just want to know why pigs are living in "trees". All that talk about giant "beavers" caught my eye, though. But seriously Mr. B. All I'm saying is that maybe there are elements of both schools that are right and maybe there are elements of both schools that are wrong. It doesn't necessarily make Genesis wrong, just our understanding of its' true meaning. The fact that we don't understand its' full meaning makes it no less or more real. If we never arrive at its' "true meaning", it won't change that "true meaning". That "all or nothing" line of thought was a big part of PFAL that I now consider to be more of a sales technique than a valid approach to logical exploration of facts. I believe there is room to consider both aspects of the subject without having to exclude one or the other. I also believe that the subject is really beyond the scope of what the human mind can process. And heck, that's all just my opinion anyhow.

"Fear is sand in the machinery of life." (A quote that VPW borrowed for someone who attained a higher level of notability in the world's eyes than VPW ever did.) Anyhow, I'm glad I finally realize that I've been misreading the actual quote for all these years. Ya see, I thought he said "Fear is a SANDWICH in the machinery of life." I could never figure out if it was a PB&J or a BLT. Maybe even a Fluffernutter. It suddenly became clear to me that it must have been bologna. Ya live and ya learn.

Rules for watching fireworks: FIRST the Ohhh!'s-----THEN the Ahhh!'s Our city canceled them this year due to budget cuts. You would never know it if you looked outside at all the activity that obviously must be private. Our population is something like 40 or 50 thousand. The mayor said he received a total of 3 e-mails complaining of the decision. A few years ago, we had a fatality at our professionally run show.(spectator) My neighbor's son, who was about 14 or 15 at the time, was sitting right next to the victim when it happened. He'll live with that image the rest of his life. I'm conflicted on the matter. On one hand the city saves 20 to 30 grand on the show. On the other hand, it encourages the "clueless" to take matters into their own hands. Personally, my reaction to fireworks is something along these lines: "Yep, that's a red one alright." "Uh huh, that sure was a loud one."

"They need to know God loves them, God made everything and will always be there for them." ---------WG-------------- Maybe that's all we adults really need to know as well.

Katy There is loads and loads of info here at the Cafe that is not in the forum areas. There is a tutorial for newcomers to help direct them in their quest. That might be a good place to start to gather info. With that said, I would like to tell you that at the very HEART of Way(TWI) "philosophy" is the idea that one must "STAND" strong in one's convictions and never even consider for a moment anything that might seem to contradict one's beliefs. It was even taught in their entry level class(PFAL) that to do so will mark the beginning of one's downfall. According to Way doctrine, this is how the devil was able to trick Eve. I hope you can see why that would make the prospect of reasoning with someone who is involved in TWI an exercise in futility unless you were already knowledgeable of the many finer points of their belief system. Oh, BTW. Welcome to The Cafe

I was thinking more like " All In The Family". Then again, I'm a Buckeye,(ie: a worthless nut) I wore high-top shoes and shirt tails Susie was in pigtails I knew I loved her even then.