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I am well aware that the medical community uses "trimester" demarcations to measure progress of development and monitor various aspects of the health of both mother and child. I don't have a problem with that. As to the offer of a pdf of the magazine article, I will decline. My reasoning is this: Even if it has some wonderfully educational information in it, it simply does not represent the mainstream teachings and practices of TWI. To imply that it does is erroneous. It might be a wonderful article, I don't know. I have nothing personal against David C. nor am I proposing that what he presented is without merit. Even if I had the article right in front of me and agreed with it completely, it still would NOT be representative of what was commonly accepted among the membership ranks of The Way. The heart of the issue is that the overwhelming majority of "believers" accepted the "1st breath--- last breath" idea as being the "rightly divided Word." And why wouldn't they? It can straight out of the PFAL class which was supposed to be the epitome of the "rightly divided Word".

Ya know----You really have to read between the lines on that snopes link. It seems the "photos" are actually digitized images of what the trucks could look like if you decided to follow the prescribed method of altering them. BUT!! If you scroll down, you find two actual photographs of trucks that have been given this "treatment"----The Pringle's truck and the Pepsi truck. SO!!! The photos are not real but the possibility of making a truck look like this is.

Rottie I have only ridden a horse one time and that was 50 years ago. BUT--- I have a friend(former co-worker) who, along with his kids, "rodeo'ed" for years. Currently he has a feed business and an on-line site. He has a lot of everyday, real-life kind of knowledge about horses. His web site is mostly about how to buy your first horse and proper nutrition. I know that is not what you are looking for but he has an e-mail function and he is a a very helpful kind of guy. I see him a couple times a week so if you think you might want to communicate with him, send me a pm and I will give you his www. I think it's pretty cool you are doing something for "yourself".

Once, when I sat down to eat my lunch, I closed my eyes and said," Father, thank you for blessing this tuna fish sandwich and removing all the impurities--- In Christ's name, amen." When I opened my eyes, the plate was empty. There's an analogy in there someplace. Maybe it's hiding behind the pickle slice and 'tater chips.

Mr. Miller Did you mean to say "When *my friend* breaks a *G* string-------"? Hey, Jonny, There's a link to a really cool interview with Jerry McCain on the Harp-L website archives. At least that's what a friend told me.

This, Mr. Hamm, is a good example of why I think it is a good idea for people to take some time when first coming to GSC to look at some of the background information and editorials BEFORE jumping right into the discussions. There is also a whole thread that discusses this subject of Dottsie staying with VP. Sorry, didn't mean to stray from the initial premise of the thread," False prophet or---------------?"

A "friend of mine" who plays harmonica, told me it is best not to advertise the fact.(That you play the harmonica) According to "my friend", people are liable to say things like,"You really BLOW!" or the alternate, "Hey, man, you really SUCK!" I am never really sure---- errr---- he is never really sure whether to thank them for the compliment or smack them upside the head between their eyes. Better to stay in the closet and keep that harp hidden in your pocket. Not that I would know, myself, but that's what my "friend" told me.

The piece by David Craley that you cited may or may not be an interesting read. I wouldn't know. I never read it. Never even heard of it before. I venture to say that most people on GSC have never read it either though I don't know that for a fact. Point is, it's meaningless to cite a work that few people are likely to be aware of and then say," This represents the The Way Ministry's stance on the abortion issue." It doesn't. It represents David Craley's stance on the abortion issue.( or at least certain aspects of his stance.) The Way Ministry's stance on the issue of abortion has been, for many years, been based on the teaching of Dr. Wierwille, that life begins with the first breath and ends with the last. This line of thinking started in PFAL in the made, formed, created session, was fortified in the CF&S class and permeated countless other teachings of VP Wierwille. Stated in the simplest way I know, TWI( in the large scope of the entirety of the organization) took the position that a fetus is not "alive" until it draws its first breath. That is not a pro or con assessment ,in and of itself, of whether abortion is an acceptable practice. (ie: is it morally right or wrong?) It's a simple statement that the first breath concept was, by far, the most widely taught and accepted concept regarding abortion among the members of The Way International.

HIC!---I shtaand corrected. HIC!---errr--- I would if I could shtaaand.----HIC!

Hmmmm! The air we breath is primarily Nitrogen.(78%) About 21% is oxygen. The other percent is made up of argon, carbon dioxide and some small quantities of other gases. So the question that piques my curiosity is ---------WHY???? Why would it be a good thing to do something that is so contrary to the natural balance our bodies are programmed for? I'm with you on the "real bar' thing, my friend. At least there, you're not too likely to encounter someone who will extol the health benefits of a Jose Cuervo diet.

Socks said "Wayons". HeHe--HeHe

David I'm not quite sure why you feel you were "snookered". Your premise was that these are genuine. According to what i saw on Snopes, they are. You thought they were painted on the truck. I thought they were painted on the *cozy*. We were both wrong about the technique . That sidewalk one is super cool, especially the one with the hose and flowing water.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/arts/truckart.asp

Just when you think you've heard it all------------- A male lesbian!!! Sigh--------I just can't keep up with this fast moving world like I used to. :wacko:

Yeah, yeah, yeah--------- But what kinda stereo does it have? :unsure:

According to Snopes they are painted canvas covers that are placed over the truck. Kinda sounds like a giant toaster *cozy* Well--- except for the toaster part and the giant part and the 3-d part. Yep. Just like a giant toaster *cozy*.

Geeze! Before it had a fancy name, we just called 'em "Two faced, back stabbin' manipulators."

Maybe I'm missing something here. John laid some facts on the table regarding authorship of RTHS. Yes, he injected some conjecture and opinion. I'm not asking anyone to address that aspect of the post. What I am inviting is disputation of the portions that were stated as being factual. For the record I'm not in any kind of position to condemn ANYONE. Feel free to offer your own conjecture of what the facts may be telling us. I may or may not agree but I promise you I will not ignore your response.

I don't remember Joyful Noise doing it but I do remember hearing Barry McCoy perform it on closing night of the Rock one year. He played keyboards and sang.(Played keyboard for Gary Puckett and The Union Gap for a while) Couldn't have been TOO bad if I still remember it after all this time. What year was that?----Heck if I know. I think it might have been 1976, though, because it fit with the Bicentennial hooplah. Then again, I'm tempted to say 1973. -----I really don't know. :( Seems like I remember they had some sort of fireworks display. I think it was red, white and blue fireworks attached to a fence to replicate the flag. It was the first time I had ever heard the medley and wasn't even aware of Elvis's version until many years later.

John is certainly not my idol. I've never met or even spoken with him. I will say, though, that information he has brought forth has helped me personally in putting together the pieces of the puzzle as cliche as that may sound. As to my post being a *sermon* or *conjecture*, I prefer to think of it as an open invitation. You are hereby cordially invited to present facts that refute the facts that John J. presented. Skip the "probably" and address that which is factual if you so desire. (That's an open invitation, not directed to a particular individual.)

I clicked on the other link(for the pavement drawings). Very, very cool! Check it out.

Those are cold, hard facts regarding the question."Was VPW a false prophet or a good minister who happened to fall down the cr@pper"? If you have cold , hard facts to the contrary, this would be the time and place to state them rather than second guessing someones intentions and resorting to conjecture.

Aaaand! They could have the survey printed on handy "green" cards that everyone could carry with them!