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Dean Martin did a song back in the '50s or '60s that went like this: Lucky, lucky, lucky me I'm a lucky son of a gun I work 8 hours I sleep 8 hours I save 8 hours for fun :)

WQA(The Water Quality Association ) is a watch dog, of sorts, for the water treatment industry. They( the WQA) have a certification program for those who work in the industry. CWS stands for Certified Water Specialist. In order to obtain certification, one must undergo a rather extensive series of instruction.(and testing) CWS1 is the "foundational class". It is the most difficult certification to achieve ( in most people's opinion) because it is wide in scope. After level 1, all other certificates are peripheral , a bit like *Witnessing and UnderShepharding* or* Keys To Research* were peripheral to PFAL. We have technicians working for us who are level 6. This is the highest level currently attainable. On days like today, when the temperatures are hovering at the 100 degree mark,they all freeze bottled water and take it with them for consumption as the day progesses. Though it's no guarantee for absolute truth, one would certainly think these technicians would have an inside track on whether or not this practice is unhealthy. WQA has a very good website and an online library of sorts that might address this question. ------www.wqa.org--------- -Sorry, I don't know how to link you directly.

Ya know, for as much as VP groused about no one knowing which end of a shovel to hold, how many people can say they witnessed HIM putting in a hard day's work?( ie: scrubbing toilets, polishing doorknobs, etc,) Oh, sorry. He was busy "working" The Word. My mistake.

Now, this would be BIG ,BIG news in view of VeePee's ties to White Supremacy and John Birch propaganda. Anyone have any specifics?

I'm a card carrying member of the Water Quality Association(CWS1) I have never heard this before or seen it in any tech. journal.

From 1958---The QUEEN of Gospel, Mahalia Jackson----"The Lord's Prayer".

Hmmmm. Let's see now. You put pickles in a can that says peaches but the contents fail to morph into what the label declares. Now where did I hear that before?

When I first took the class, it was presented on cassette for classes of 7 or less and on reel- to- reel film for more. Geeze! Louise!---Those projectors were a real pain in the butt. If the film broke, you had to splice it right then and there. And, they were noisy. The tapes or film cans had to be stored in a very "secure" location per HQ. They were never to be left at the class location which was usually a VFW or Amer. Legion hall or such, even though the rest of the eqt. could be. Then along came those clunky Beta machines that top loaded.(playback only) I remember shopping for a replacement for my jalopy that bit the dust and passing up some sweet deals because they didn't have enough trunk space for all the crud we had to haul. Then, at one point, HQ let branch and twig leaders in on a special one time bulk purchase they were going to make on Beta players(pre-VCR days) They were ONLY $800 dollars!!!! And you thought they only sold classes and books!!! That was "pert near" a years pay for me.:-(

While they're at it, maybe they could sue the estate of Frank Sinatra. How dare he record anything so blatantly obvious as "My Way"?

Larry Re: Your post #67 Just thought I would point out that the topic being discussed is not an "and" question. It is an "or" question. "Do you think he was a false prophet-----OR----- a minister who, at one time, was good---- BUT--- "went bad"?"

snipI have had some trouble with that myself but you know what? Why exactly is it so danged important that I refuse to consider that maybe(just maybe) that issue is just not as cut and dry as they insisted? Maybe they were even wrong. The spiritual, philosophical magnitude of the subject is too large for human understanding anyway. So why worry about it? God will not punish you because you DON'T "know that you know that you know." Maybe He is, maybe He isn't.(JC= God) It's just not that important that you swear your unrelenting vow of loyalty to either side of the argument. PHEW! Guess I got carried away there.

Gosh, golly, gee! You would have thought a "prophet" would have had the inside scoop.

Oh had I a golden thread And a needle so fine I'd weave a magic strand Of rainbow design In it, I'd weave the bravery Of women giving birth In it, I'd weave the innocence Of children all over the Earth.--------------Pete Seeger

Sorry, I was not around for the fog years. I do remember, though, that in the early 1970s, some of us who were on the class crew(Stringing chairs, running the tape recorder, etc.) wanted to get together and listen to the class tapes in an unofficial setting. We were quickly informed that the tapes were NEVER, EVER to be listened to outside of an official class setting. Knowing what I do now about sales presentations, I understand the logic. Outside of its showcase setting it might have been a bit more transparent. Couldn't have anybody listening to it without the proper emotional hype, dontcha know!

OK---While the old geezer mode is still on. Anybody remember how, when color T.V. first came out, you could buy a plastic sheet that had green on the bottom for grass, blue on the top for the sky and something else(I'm thinking red) in the middle? It was for people who couldn't afford color T.V.(which would have been my family) What a hoot! I think I was about 35 before I ever had a color T.V.(bought it used.) OK--- I know that was but, HEY!, we're only talkin' about Raisin Bran!

Not to worry, Sky Someone should stop by tomorrow to rationalize it for you. (History tends to repeat itself.)

Please pardon my poor syntax. When I stated" Dispose of the good along with the bad.", it was not intended to be interpreted as a directive. Allow me to rephrase the expression as a question in order to convey the manner in which it is generally used. "Should you throw out the baby along with the bathwater?" (It is usually used in a rhetorical sense.) The baby can be anything you want it to be that represents "good" and the bathwater can be anything you want it to be that represents "bad". Identifying which is which is where the process can start to become complicated.

We are making it far too complicated. The expression is not unique to TWI. The baby= "good". The bathwater= "bad". Hence, "Dispose of the good along with the bad". Can't see the forest for the trees. Cut off your nose to spite your face. Spend a dollar to save a dime. Etc.,Etc.,Etc.

Of course, it's only my opinion, but I believe he was a "false prophet" or, at the very least, not at all that he portrayed himself to be.(Intentionally) I am basing that opinion on an experience that I had in the early days of my involvement that had me baffled until just recently. I am not going to go into specifics. I think everyone,TWI and non TwI, has moments in there life that fall into the category of; "Ah Hah!---So that's what that meant!" My "Ah Hah" moment came to me as I reviewed various subjects here on GSC. Just my opinion

Remember the *listening with a purpose* questions that were covered at the end of each session of PFAL? In session #3, one of these questions posed the query"how do we stand approved before God?" The supposedly correct answer to that question was " By studying in order to rightly divide The Word." In retrospect, it seems rather silly that we accepted that to be correct. For centuries and centuries, the vast population of Planet Earth was illiterate. So what does that mean?, that they were just SOL because they had no avenue of satisfying this "requirement"? This is just a small example of how the class was designed to put a disproportionate emphasis on "knowledge obsession". Wierwille had a vested interested in this "knowledge obsession". It (the knowledge obsession) was the backbone of his skeleton of classes, books, programs, advances and so on. In other words, he was a business man and "knowledge obsession" was the core product that he sold. Even after all these years, we're still talking about what we "learned" instead of what we actually accomplished that had any lasting, redeeming value. That doesn't mean we didn't accomplish anything of lasting, redeeming value, only that our priorities were way out of kilter. Wierwille, on the other hand, had his priorities in clear focus(IMO). He identified his product correctly and set about launching a very aggressive promotional campaign. Maybe "the baby" grew up on his own and climbed out of the dirty bathwater when no one was looking.

"Offended?" Not in the least. A multiple of perspectives gives a clearer picture.

"He was a mean, mean man."-----------Dottsie

I think it is perfectly acceptable for one's actions on- stage to be at the opposite end of the spectrum off- stage. If they happen to be an actor!!! And---------- The audience knows it is not viewing reality.

Hi, rosestoyou, First, let me say "welcome" to the cafe. I probably don't have any more real answers than you do. The very fact that you recognize you were under mind control and now wonder about its lingering presence is, in my opinion, a mighty good sign you are seeing thing more clearly. Throw the baby out with the dirty bathwater? The problem arises (IMO) when some people insist on keeping the baby immersed in the dirty bathwater. There were good things that came from our involvement and there were bad things as well. Separating the two can be somewhat tricky at times. Again, Welcome! Oh, yeah. Cool thumbnails!

Doojable Actually it was Johniam, not Jonny Lingo, who stated there where things in BG's class that were deliberately left out of PFAL. I asked if he would care to elaborate but never saw these differences addressed. Might now be as good a time as any to do so?