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MIKE My post is not based on "memory" or "extrapolation". What Wierwille taught is right there in black and white for you to see. There's more, too, but somehow I think it would be fruitless to direct your attention to it. Wierwille wouldn't have known "God's Voice" if it was screaming in his ear. He was nothing more than a pompous arse with serious psychological and behavioral problems, not to mention a criminal that just so happened to stay one step ahead of the law. Peace

I distinctly remember that teaching. I think it was about 1973 or 1974. In retrospect, I think that teaching was just a way to cover their butts. In that same teaching, Dr. W. related an incident involving how his children were not allowed to start school until they had their proper shots. According to Dr. W., he fought the policy very strongly and said his kids were covered by believing. He said he was concerned the shots could make them sick. Then, according to him, he suddenly realized he could have the kids get their shots and thus believe that the shots would not harm them. Looking back, it's just old fashioned rationalization. He said if you are on meds, you should continue until it's the meds that make you sick because you no longer need them. I can't believe I actually fell for this cr@p.

Re; Breaking Bread I think choice is the operative word here. When I was in Fellowlaborers, we ate breakfast every morning in our "houses" with the same 5 other people. At supper, all 50 of us ate together but we were still seated with our "houses". You had no choice. It was mandated. It rarely varied unless we had a visitor. We had to follow strict rules of etiquette about every little detail. Yes, we ate together, but more often than not, it was drudgery and an exercise in table manner "minutia". It's not what I would like to think "breaking bread" is really all about. I'm not sure how that ties in with making friends except that those were situations where we should have been able to hone our socializing skills and instead we were stifled. There were people I would have liked to have gotten to know better but the choice was limited by legalism.

http://www.thewritingmachine.net/archives/...nts_to_li_1.php Here's another one.

You Betcha! I posted this in response to someone's insistence, not long ago, that these things were not taught by VPW.

Dooj At the top are some search boxes. Click on site resourses. At the bottom are some options that will take you to another story.

http://www.thewritingmachine.net/archives/...ntula_attac.php Has anyone been to this web site? It's a memoir and collection of writings by a young man who grew up in The Way. The last time I saw him he was just a tiny tot with long golden hair, whose boundless energy had him bouncing off the walls of Mason's Hall while we adults chanted choruses of What A Friend We Have In Jesus. If you go, be sure to read his bio.

Ahhhh! Mr. Natural,himself. Keep on truckin'!

You are correct sir. It is also part of the soundtrack for The Big Fish, a quirky but entertaining movie from a couple years ago. It was done originally by The Vogues. I think it was recorded in about 1965 or thereabouts.

Up every mornin just to keep my job I gotta fight my way through the hustling mob Sounds of the city poundin in my brain While another day goes down the drain

HaHaHaHa! You heard it here first. MIKE admits to being a "trinitarian".

Is it What's Goin' On? ------------Marvin Gaye?

Thanks, Dan.

Here is what the Advanced Class syllabus says on page 22/ 1971 version. (1). Keeping devil spirits out: (a). They lodge in your mind to control your "telephone system," your internal communications. (b). They lodge in your physical body- as diseases that have life of themselves. From page 17 : (11) They are the cause of mental and physical disease. From page 19: (2) A born-again saved believer may become afflicted with evil spirits. The spirits may affect or possess mind and/or body, but not the spirit.

God "told" MIKE you might say that.

Would you be so kind as to point me to those reasons you have already posted?

Gee, I would have thought your response to those questions would have elicited a rather short post.

Ya know there's a reason it's good to wear long pants and long sleeve shirts in the garden, not the least of which is----------------POISON IVY!!

And those reasons would be--------------------------??

Breaking news! VPW was the "Moses" of our day and age! I never really realized it until Mike pointed out the parallel in post #46. Yeah, ya see, they both wrote stuff and both are dead. See how it all fits like a hand in one of those hand things? Hey, MIKE, Karl Marx wrote stuff and he's dead, too. Maybe he was the Apostle Paul of our day and time. Whatta ya think? "Speaking in tongues daily is a prerequisite to revelation."(key #3) Sorry, MIKE, I don't see the word if in there, nor do I see it being implied. It's a straight forward statement. You then say that key #3 is a recommendation, not an absolute. Does that mean that some things Dr. Wierwille said may not have been God breathed, just his personal recommendation? How can I tell the difference between the two? I'm anxious to know. Let me just come out and say it. I don't believe you have to speak in tongues on a daily basis to be able to receive revelation. In fact, I don't think it has a darned thing to do with it. Nor do I believe for a minute that SIT is "spiritual mashed potatoes"(As I once heard VPW call it) for the "baby" "Christ In You" that nourishes and strengthens it. But, hey, that's just my opinion. I'm looking forward to hearing your opinion on this matter.

Perception Becomes Reality When I was quite new in the Word, I perceived VPW to be a con artist. I discussed it with my leadership and was told that my thoughts were evidence of "unrenewed mind". I was so new, I didn't even know what renewed mind was so he had to explain it to me. Over the next several tears, as I would recall this particular incident, I felt a sense of guilt that I had even allowed myself to think this of the great "Man Of God". HaHaHa! I stumbled into GreaseSpot, one day, and discovered that my guilt feelings had been unwarranted. I found out that he really was the con man I initially perceived him to be. Sometimes, in this life, perception does become reality.

From the same page of the AC syllabus: Key # 3 "Speaking in tongues daily is prerequisite to revelation." Total Horse Cr@p!

Speaking only for myself, I have to say it has helped me to realize I no longer have to feel guilty about leaving the "one true household" when, in fact, all I did was sever my ties with a cult. Is it possible? If God is real and he does give revelation, is it possible that He told someone that all was not right and they should "bail out"? If that person failed to act on their revelation or acted but was overruled, is it possible that person will change their perception of the revelation given? Is it possible it could help to ease a sense of guilt for that person?

Adolphus Bell--- Bass drum, high hat, harmonica, guitar, vocals.

Does this sound anything like the way tree structure?