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Here's a wild stab in the dark (and dreary night): All You Zombies----- The Hooters---?

Hey!! This "needs and wants" thing is starting to make sense. See, Dr. W. must have "needed" that fleet of classic cars and motorcycles that he bought with our money as much as he "wanted" them. Yeah, yeah. That's it. He needed them. And his "believing" sure must have been big 'cause he sure had some nice ones and plenty of them stashed away where the local "abs"ers wouldn't have to look at them and be distracted from moving The Word. Yup. It's all starting to come together now.

Afterglow is not a new word. It's been around a long time. The first time I remember hearing it used in a sexual manner was in the book, Joy of Sex. You may also recall that Crosby, Stills and Nash used it in a sexual manner in the song, Lady of the Island. Interestingly, though, here is how The Merriam Webster Dictionary defines it: "a glow remaining where a light has disappeared."

I was in the 8th grade when they hit the scene. There was a record store about 3 miles away that had those little booths where you could listen to music before you bought it. Three or four of us make the trek there, on foot, in the snow, one evening to hear this new sensation. When we got there, the store was already closed. They had a big promotional display in the front window, complete with "Beatle Boots". They actually revolutionized the music industry in two distinct ways. First, they wrote their own music(after they became established) which was not typical at that time. Second, they released entire LP's rather than 45's(Though they also released 45's as well.) Those two things had a very profound influence on how the industry developed. Ed Sullivan began to feature up and coming artists on his Sunday night show. The Dave Clarke Five were their biggest "rivals". When The Stones played The Sullivan Show, they had to change the words to Let's Spend The Night Together to Let's Spend Some Time Together. HaHaHaHa! The Doors were told they had to rework lyrics, also. Morrison told Sullivan to "stick it". They refused to perform. It didn't hurt them in the least. Best Fab 4 album?----- Rubber Soul---hands down!! IMO

I wasn't sure so I "gurgled" it. Now I'm looking for an emoticon that kicks itself in the butt. Guess this will have to do:

Since when did squirrels start quoting Tweetie Bird? :)

Sorry, excie, honest. I didn't mean it that way. Peace???

When the Way Corps was first "pitched" to me in the early 1970s, it was presented as a way to study directly under the Man of God, "at his feet", as I was told was the custom in O.T. times. (Frankly, my O.T. knowledge stinks so I can't give any scriptural examples.) It was supposed to be a "walk with, talk with, eat with, drink with" kind of deal. Sorta like the Master and Little Grasshopper thing from the Kung Foo show. Ya know, like a guru and his followers. Well, I never went into the Corps. Instead, I opted for Fellow Laborers. It was supposed to be based on this concept also, though the particular session I signed on for was supposed to focus on The Book Of Acts, both academically and in practical application. The academic aspect was a dismal disappointment. The practical application was really just living in a commune. Did they live in communes in the first century? Just asking. We saw the MOG at supper a couple times a week and again at FL night on Wednesdays. Sometimes he would briefly visit our work details. Basically, it was not at all an "at his feet" experience. My questions are: How much "at his feet" training was actually given in the Way Corps? Was this an expectation of participants? Comments or observations?

Hey!! If all these guys leave, Jonny L. and I are liable to turn it into "Harmonica Talk" Boy!! If that doesn't scare you, what WILL? Plus-- If Tom S. gets wind of it, he may force his hand in turning it into "Bongo Talk". I'm just sayin'----------

Ya know------- I was gonna invest in some OMEGA 3, but then it occurred to me---- As soon as I do, they'll probably come out with OMEGA 4. I'm holding out for the updated version.

Gee Maybe I'm slippin' in my old age or somethin'. When I read his post I just took it to mean he was gonna be real busy for a couple of months. I thought he was suggesting e-mail instead of PM because he will see it quicker. Did I miss something?

WG If I recall correctly, we were allowed to go back to the complex to sleep and shower, etc.( Maybe a 4 or 5 hour stretch?) but were forbidden to discuss it amongst ourselves. So, yes, technically, one could have simply driven off into the night and never returned if they were in a car alone.(How often did that happen?) We all car pooled because none of us had any freakin' money to pay for gas!!

If that doesn't sum it up, what will?

OK I know the "inner sanctum" initiation at the AC was really a joke, but did you ever stop to think that maybe it was meant as a smokescreen to obscure the fact that there really was an inner sanctum? I don't mean that in a spiritual sense. I mean that in the "lock/box" kind of sense. OOPS! Did I spill the beans on the secret initiation rite I vowed under oath to never reveal? I just don't know what came over me. Mum's the word. You never heard it from me. Shhhhhhh!

sorry---- double post

Hey there, DW-- I was "in" under both administrations.(I was a FLO4 and FLO5) The experiences described were under jm.(as far as I recall) Heck, it was 30+ years ago and not something I've tried to preserve in my memory I'm going to refer to them simply as experiences rather than tortures if that's O.K. I think(oops, I did it again!) that the "middle of the night" incident probably had the greatest impact on me. That's the incident where we were rousted out of bed in the middle of the night and ordered to report to limb HQ in some unreasonable amount of time. None of us were on time. It was physically impossible. We sat in total silence and darkness until the MOG(jm) appeared and told us we had all failed the test(because we were late) and we were the reason The Word was not moving in Ohio and the future looked pretty gloomy for the entire ministry because of our shortcomings. Then we were told the program was canceled. It was like a bolt of lightning zapped us. They let us leave and return to the commune in a state of total failure even though they knew full well the program would be reinstated when the sun came up.(Provided we agreed to do exactly as they ordered from that point on.) That was just an exercise in mental abuse and cruelty. In a sense, I believe it had an effect that was opposite to that which was intended. Some people, including myself, adapted an attitude of secretly going through the motions in order to at least make it to graduation. That way, you could at least feel like you hadn't "tripped out". Yeah, I know, it's self delusion but sometimes "ya do what ya gotta do". One guy went back home after graduation and started spilling the beans. He had goons banging on his door telling him to cease and desist IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS within a very short time frame. After I had already graduated, I found myself in a situation that required I go back for one more year. No details at this time. It was a result of a choice I had made. My heart was definitely not in it that year but, once again, I made it through to completion. It's easy to look back and realize what I should have done but it was not at all that clear cut as it was unfolding. I have no animosity toward either hy or jm.(Well, ok, maybe I did have some for jm.) They were probably just stuck in the middle like we were. The whole experience changed my life in ways that are hard to talk about openly. Sorry--- Didn't mean to talk your ear off in response to a simple question.

Thanks, WG You really hit the nail on the head regarding the feeling of isolation. Where would you go? What would you do? Your days with the ministry would essentially come to a screeching halt by your own choice if you left. I don't remember anyone leaving of their own choosing. There were some who were "tossed out" in the middle of the night. I lived in two different "houses" where this happened. They were ordered to be completely out of the state within a matter of hours.(a day at the most) Why? Because they did not follow some inane order to a tee! Yeah, it was expected you would do exactly as told without question or debate. There was no "reasoning from The Word". And all the time this is happening, you find yourself thinking, "Gee, maybe I'm the one who is wrong here." Who wanted to defy the mighty MOG who might be acting in accordance with some great revelation?(cough) I suppose that's why some of us would make "junk runs" to the truck stop and try to sort through our confusion in secret as we make the trek.

You Can Never Go Home Anymore.

I remember hearing people say this but I don't recall it ever being taught. I think the first time I heard someone say this was in about 1974. (I was not in the Corps and therefore this is second hand.) Wierwille gave an order that the Corps was not to leave the grounds one weekend. One of the men left anyway and went into town. He died as a result of a car accident that night. The buzz that went around was that Wierwille had received revelation about the accident and that is why he had given that directive. People used it to play up the hedge of protection thing as well as the manner in which he died. Another time I heard it was when two women and some children died in a terrible car wreck after leaving The Rock of Ages. (I only know one woman's name. I don't know whose children they were.) There was talk that followed along the lines of what has been stated here. Another time was when Lester G. became acutely ill and died. The talk was that he died this way because he couldn't believe and his lack of believing was a sign of being out of fellowship. There are probably more that I could think of. The point is, though, that I never actually heard this formally taught. That doesn't mean it wasn't but I never heard it(as far as I recall) My condolences go out to you, A la p.

Hello, Roy No, nothing quite that deep in my question. I was just asking TG if he/she has had a chance to peek into some of the other rooms here besides the forums. I really like that concept of "perfect" prayer being prayer that is selfless in motivation.

I never understood the big deal with Dr. Who having two hearts. I mean, we used to follow a guy who didn't have any heart AT ALL!

Very cool!!

Yes the doors were locked and someone stood post at them. I don't think it was ever stated that they were standing guard but that was the impression it gave. I suppose someone might come along now and say something like," Golly, you could have just left if you didn't like it." But where were you supposed to go? We lived in a commune for gosh sakes! In the middle of Nowhere, USA. Most people's hometowns were hundreds and even thousands of miles away. And it was made very clear that leaving would be the same as declaring yourself a failure and any hopes you had of becoming a leader would be null and void from that moment on. You know, most people had already "burned their bridges" and had no job prospects awaiting them "back home", very little money and, for the most part, most of us didn't even have cars that could make any kind of lengthy trip. It would have been a total disgrace to walk away.(and a financial challenge.) And even if it crossed your mind to try that, how could you be sure you weren't the one who was wrong? It seems so easy to see the answer when looking at it 30 years later but it was very confusing at the time it was happening. Edit: Sorry this is out of synch with DWBH's post. I didn't know he was posting at the same time.

Here's the turtle.(Couldn't find the goldfish or seahorse.) http://www.onlinesciencemall.com/Shop/Cont...sid/0/SFV/30852

Hi, Roy That's certainly an interesting take on "perfect" prayer, that it's the essence that is to be perfect, not the technique. Even if it proved to be non-scriptural, it would still be profoundly wise advise. Holy hugs, Bro. Welcome, TG Have you perused some of the articles and such?