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Breaking news! VPW was the "Moses" of our day and age! I never really realized it until Mike pointed out the parallel in post #46. Yeah, ya see, they both wrote stuff and both are dead. See how it all fits like a hand in one of those hand things? Hey, MIKE, Karl Marx wrote stuff and he's dead, too. Maybe he was the Apostle Paul of our day and time. Whatta ya think? "Speaking in tongues daily is a prerequisite to revelation."(key #3) Sorry, MIKE, I don't see the word if in there, nor do I see it being implied. It's a straight forward statement. You then say that key #3 is a recommendation, not an absolute. Does that mean that some things Dr. Wierwille said may not have been God breathed, just his personal recommendation? How can I tell the difference between the two? I'm anxious to know. Let me just come out and say it. I don't believe you have to speak in tongues on a daily basis to be able to receive revelation. In fact, I don't think it has a darned thing to do with it. Nor do I believe for a minute that SIT is "spiritual mashed potatoes"(As I once heard VPW call it) for the "baby" "Christ In You" that nourishes and strengthens it. But, hey, that's just my opinion. I'm looking forward to hearing your opinion on this matter.

Perception Becomes Reality When I was quite new in the Word, I perceived VPW to be a con artist. I discussed it with my leadership and was told that my thoughts were evidence of "unrenewed mind". I was so new, I didn't even know what renewed mind was so he had to explain it to me. Over the next several tears, as I would recall this particular incident, I felt a sense of guilt that I had even allowed myself to think this of the great "Man Of God". HaHaHa! I stumbled into GreaseSpot, one day, and discovered that my guilt feelings had been unwarranted. I found out that he really was the con man I initially perceived him to be. Sometimes, in this life, perception does become reality.

From the same page of the AC syllabus: Key # 3 "Speaking in tongues daily is prerequisite to revelation." Total Horse Cr@p!

Speaking only for myself, I have to say it has helped me to realize I no longer have to feel guilty about leaving the "one true household" when, in fact, all I did was sever my ties with a cult. Is it possible? If God is real and he does give revelation, is it possible that He told someone that all was not right and they should "bail out"? If that person failed to act on their revelation or acted but was overruled, is it possible that person will change their perception of the revelation given? Is it possible it could help to ease a sense of guilt for that person?

Adolphus Bell--- Bass drum, high hat, harmonica, guitar, vocals.

Does this sound anything like the way tree structure?

I don't want to get too far from the topic at hand(The development of the way tree structure) but something occurred to me a few posts back? Has anyone ever seriously investigated the validity of Pillai's teachings? I'm not saying he was wrong or that he wasn't a real swell guy. I'm just asking how we know that what he taught was accurate. Supposedly, Pillai was an expert on Eastern customs and thought because he was born, raised and trained in the East. "Since Bishop Pillai, by birth and training, understands the Eastern thought which is the mind of the Bible, his unique contribution to the ministry in America is in clarifying difficult passages and pointing up their spiritual applications." ( From the back cover of Light Through An Eastern Window) By that rationale, there ought to be millions and millions of "experts" on Eastern thought. Heck, I was born and raised in Cleveland, but I can't dance the polka to save my life. (Neither the "German style" nor the "Cleveland style".) And, even though I can devour pierogies with the best of them, you would starve to death if you had to depend on my expertise in making or cooking them. I'm definately no "expert" on Cleveland-isms How did we get on that OLG thing in the first place? And what the heck does it have to do with the structure of The Way Tree? PS-- Sorry for the derail about the car.( I'm almost certain it was a red Pontiac with a white rag top.)

Thanks for the info, WG Do you remember when Les sang with "Foreordained" and wife J. played piano? Les had a beautiful tenor voice. The two of them combined had a boatload of musical talent. They were both very caring and generous people, always ready to give of themselves to help someone in need. The ministry was built on the generosity and good will of people like them. Maybe I should say it was built at the "expense" of people like them. I was saddened to hear of his death The only answers I could get were the usual "lack of believing" drivel. WordsandWorks--- So glad to her about your locating Liz. Please let us know the outcome of your reconnection. Thanks, everybody, for your caring responses.

Hey! You have to hand it to the old guy. He sure knew how to keep his needs and wants parallel.

Silly unrelated trivia Sirius(the star) is also know as the "Dog Star"( Canis Majoris) It is most visible during a period that occurs during the summer known as---- "The Dog Days" See the tie in with the logo?

Gold, frankincense and myrrh---- plus a fleet of killer motorcycles(a vintage Indian amongst them) as well as some pretty sweet cars too. Got to ride in that old red Pontiac once. Can't remember. Was it a Bonneville or a Catalina? Sweet ride, none the less. JP was in the driver's seat. We both had a couple shots of Wild Turkey and off we went. Ray and Vera. Yup I think it was about this time of year that they had their annual pig roast. No small event!! My folks still speak fondly of those "get togethers". Yeah, old Vp sure lived the life of a pauper. But, hey---- not to worry. Didn't he once say he was born into wealth or did I just imagine that?

Hi, Dan I played those first two albums so many times you could almost hear the other side of the record bleeding through. I really think you should take the next one, also. Besides, now that you have all those channels, the possibilities are endless. Hey! Just for funnzies, do a google on Sirius(the star). Their logo will take on a whole new meaning. BTW---Almost cut my hair(happened just the other day.)

Maybe this is off topic---I don't know. I had a job once that required me to drive a box truck(straight truck/not a semi) as part of my job. I sat up high and could see right down into cars beside me. One of the guys I worked with (also drove a box truck) frequently had stories to relate that resembled the naked driver story. There were about 5 or 6 of us that drove these trucks and none of us ever saw any of this stuff except this one guy. I was beginning to doubt my powers of observation when, suddenly, I found myself staring right down at a similar scenario. Traffic had slowed to a crawl on the interstate due to a wreck and I was stuck beside a young lady in a compact car. As I looked down, she began to disrobe. Before traffic resumed full speed again, she had completely exchanged the clothes she started with for a waitress uniform for a popular local restaurant. The accident must have been making her late for work. She was oblivious to my presence. I gotta tell ya, it was more like watching "Keystone Cops" than "Debbie Does Dallas. Nothing sexy about it in the least. I found myself wondering how my "observant" coworker would have described it the next morning if it had been him.

Thanks, WAW I really appreciate your response. Sometimes I feel like I never really left TWI until I stumbled into this place. Thanks again. (Sorry for the rant.)

Sounds to me like you are "reaching for it" right now, my friend. So let me see if I understand you correctly. Are you saying Judas was really part of a non-profit endeavor and has been misunderstood all these years?

Ya know, Like a lot of people here, I only tell "just so much" of what I know, Partly because it's just too darn embarrassing to think about how stupid I must have been. Does anyone remember Lester G.(HQ staff), who died in about 1980? I was told he just "freaked out" and couldn't get it together to be healed. Any clarification of what actually happened? I have been in the dark on that one for 25+ years. When I was quite new "in The Word", I had a childhood friend who was diagnosed as schizophrenic. He was doing fairly well(but not great) with the clinical treatments he was receiving which included very heavy duty pharmaceuticals. One of the "lovely" young ladies in our branch(who went on to much bigger and "better" things with TWI) was kind enough to tell him his problems probably stemmed from the fact that he was "born of the wrong seed". Not long after that, I found myself being asked by his father to be a pall bearer at his funeral. He left me a note saying that he had learned something about himself that he could not bear to live with. It was me who insisted he come with me to twig because I thought it could help him. It was me who had to find his lifeless body that cool Autumn night. I'm sure we all have similar things lurking in our memories. Yeah, there's probably somebody on WayGB thinking,"AHA! NOW I know who Waysider is!" To which I say "Screw You!!"

1971. It is the syllabus I received when I took AC in 1973. The page that you referred to is page 8 in this one. The part I am referring to is actually depicted in a graphic(like the one you described.) but I have no way to scan it.

The very fact that it bounced up and down so drastically seems to suggest to me that the cost of the class was not directly linked to the cost of providing it. It doesn't make any sense that a business with an eye on production costs would charge such varied rates unless the profit margin was enormous. Yet, it's obvious from what has been posted here that they did exactly that .

Oldiesman May I suggest you review page 16 of your Advanced Class syllabus? Here on page 16 it clearly states that GOD, who is "Holy Spirit" gives "holy spirit" and THE ADVERSARY, who is "Unholy Spirit" gives "unholy spirit". Hey! I didn't write the syllabus! Complain to the author.

$65.00 in 1972. That was a whole lot of money, back then.

Young Fashioned Ways----------------Rory Gallagher

We have all been here before.