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Ditto This is the first I knew of it, too.

http://www.thewritingmachine.net/archives/...8/the_tower.php The Tower

Wouldn't be much of a doctor if he/she let you continue taking meds that made you sick. At least that's my opinion. "course that doesn't really change the fact that the syllabus I have here clearly shows that Dr. Wierwille did teach that cancer is possession. Now, if you could somehow round up all the syllabi that are not the "final" version and replace them with the one that you have--------- -Nah! --------------Still wouldn't be able to change history.

"Music hath charms to soothe the savage breast, to soften rocks, or to bend a knotted oak." Wm. Congreve-----1670-1729 Excerpted from The Morning Bride -----act1/scene 1 Still, it really has little, if anything, to do with the topic of this thread which is "A life of its own".

Thanks for looking that up, MIKE. Apparently Wierwille did, in fact, teach along those lines. Now the question that remains is."Was he accurate in his presentation of this idea?" You say "yes". I say "no". I'm ok with that. Still, it would be the icing on the cake, so to speak, if you could substantiate this from scripture. Yeah, I know you won't find the actual word, "aspirin" in the Bible. I'm talking about this idea of chemicals(pharmacia) being able to elicit these effects.

Gee I thought they were awards for spelling and grammar. Hey, if everybody gets 5 stars, the teacher said we can have a Pizza Party!

I must concur with Outfield.(regarding oppression, depression and possession.) Page 21 i. Spirits affecting the mind (2) Spirit of Oppression---Generates feelings of persecution from external sources. ("everything is closing in".) (3)Spirit of Depression----Has internal implications. So, to answer your question, MIKE, the difference between possession and oppression is that possession is a state of being, whereas oppression(in the context of the information taught in the Advanced Class) is a spiritual entity. Re: the statement about aspirin. A scriptural reference would be nice but I will accept a syllabus reference of proof that he taught it. We know he could not have gotten this by direct revelation because there are countless teachings that state that revelation can not contradict the Word. The Word says spirits are cast out in the name of Jesus Christ therefore, saying they are cast out by ingestion of aspirin is a contradiction of God's Word. Hence, It does not appear that Wierwille could have reached this conclusion by either direct revelation or scriptural reference. If, in fact, you do know where the scriptures would substantiate this or can refer to a specific section from the AC syllabus, by all means, feel free to do so.

MIKE My post is not based on "memory" or "extrapolation". What Wierwille taught is right there in black and white for you to see. There's more, too, but somehow I think it would be fruitless to direct your attention to it. Wierwille wouldn't have known "God's Voice" if it was screaming in his ear. He was nothing more than a pompous arse with serious psychological and behavioral problems, not to mention a criminal that just so happened to stay one step ahead of the law. Peace

I distinctly remember that teaching. I think it was about 1973 or 1974. In retrospect, I think that teaching was just a way to cover their butts. In that same teaching, Dr. W. related an incident involving how his children were not allowed to start school until they had their proper shots. According to Dr. W., he fought the policy very strongly and said his kids were covered by believing. He said he was concerned the shots could make them sick. Then, according to him, he suddenly realized he could have the kids get their shots and thus believe that the shots would not harm them. Looking back, it's just old fashioned rationalization. He said if you are on meds, you should continue until it's the meds that make you sick because you no longer need them. I can't believe I actually fell for this cr@p.

Re; Breaking Bread I think choice is the operative word here. When I was in Fellowlaborers, we ate breakfast every morning in our "houses" with the same 5 other people. At supper, all 50 of us ate together but we were still seated with our "houses". You had no choice. It was mandated. It rarely varied unless we had a visitor. We had to follow strict rules of etiquette about every little detail. Yes, we ate together, but more often than not, it was drudgery and an exercise in table manner "minutia". It's not what I would like to think "breaking bread" is really all about. I'm not sure how that ties in with making friends except that those were situations where we should have been able to hone our socializing skills and instead we were stifled. There were people I would have liked to have gotten to know better but the choice was limited by legalism.

http://www.thewritingmachine.net/archives/...nts_to_li_1.php Here's another one.

You Betcha! I posted this in response to someone's insistence, not long ago, that these things were not taught by VPW.

Dooj At the top are some search boxes. Click on site resourses. At the bottom are some options that will take you to another story.

http://www.thewritingmachine.net/archives/...ntula_attac.php Has anyone been to this web site? It's a memoir and collection of writings by a young man who grew up in The Way. The last time I saw him he was just a tiny tot with long golden hair, whose boundless energy had him bouncing off the walls of Mason's Hall while we adults chanted choruses of What A Friend We Have In Jesus. If you go, be sure to read his bio.

Ahhhh! Mr. Natural,himself. Keep on truckin'!

You are correct sir. It is also part of the soundtrack for The Big Fish, a quirky but entertaining movie from a couple years ago. It was done originally by The Vogues. I think it was recorded in about 1965 or thereabouts.

Up every mornin just to keep my job I gotta fight my way through the hustling mob Sounds of the city poundin in my brain While another day goes down the drain

HaHaHaHa! You heard it here first. MIKE admits to being a "trinitarian".

Is it What's Goin' On? ------------Marvin Gaye?

Thanks, Dan.

Here is what the Advanced Class syllabus says on page 22/ 1971 version. (1). Keeping devil spirits out: (a). They lodge in your mind to control your "telephone system," your internal communications. (b). They lodge in your physical body- as diseases that have life of themselves. From page 17 : (11) They are the cause of mental and physical disease. From page 19: (2) A born-again saved believer may become afflicted with evil spirits. The spirits may affect or possess mind and/or body, but not the spirit.

God "told" MIKE you might say that.

Would you be so kind as to point me to those reasons you have already posted?

Gee, I would have thought your response to those questions would have elicited a rather short post.

Ya know there's a reason it's good to wear long pants and long sleeve shirts in the garden, not the least of which is----------------POISON IVY!!