waysider

waysider A name that could be applied to any Fellow Laborer who frequented The Wayside Truck Stop with some degree of regularity. Thus, I am not Waysider(with a capital W) nor am I THE waysider. I am, in fact, just one of MANY waysiders.

I've been out of TWI for quite a few years but I never heard of that one. Is it perhaps another name for CF&S that was a local idiom?

Well, actually, I remember this being in the class in the mid 1970s. In fact, VP said that if you do this without your spouse, it is an indication you are having marital problems. Personally, I think he was using that to give some sort of credence to his theory that the original sin was masturbation "and then some". Remember, he said he had no scriptural proof and that we would "just have to trust" him on this one. Thirty five years later I'm still no closer to understanding what the heck any of this could have had to do with Biblical research. Consider, also, that society was in the midst of a sexual revolution at the time. This class was presented on the heels of the highly successful book, Joy of Sex by Alex Comfort. Could Wierwille have been trying to capitalize on a market demand that he recognized? I don't think we will ever know for certain. ( at least not in this lifetime)

That would be Fr!tz Win3g@rner, M.D., a general surgeon(I think), who was also VPW's personal doctor and attended to him in his final days. From all accounts I have heard, he was always an upright kind of guy. There is someone who posts here regularly who worked in his practice and knew him well. He was probably recruited to appear in the sessions to lend an air of credibility to the class. That certainly does not make him a "bad guy". I think he got "played" just like the rest of us.

We need to get Tom Strange in on this 'cause it just wouldn't be a "real' band without bongo's.

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waysider checking in, here. When I read CoolChef's post, I took it to mean: (paraphrasing) "If you did this today, you should be jailed. ------not------- "If you did this, today you should be jailed. Darn those pesky comma's. I agree with the first statement, not the second.

Well, that's "Flatlanders" for ya. HA! Just happened to think about this------ People on the east side of the state, along THE river, don't say "y'all", they say, "y'ins". What's up with that?

We acted out our lives on stages. 10,000 people watching. But we're alone now and I'm singing this song for you--------------Leon Russell Don't remember if that's the title. I think the Dylan tune DID get airplay so I'm throwing in the towel to Tom Strange. Re: Strange lyrics. Remember the Rascals tune, Groovin'? There's a place where they say, " You and me endlessly." Even though I knew it couldn't be right, it always sounded to me like they said, "You and me and Leslie." I knew that was way too racy for 1967 or 1968 but I couldn't figure out what they were saying.

I have never personally eaten 'possum but I suspect the answer to that would be relative to their diet ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Opossum Diet Here is a list of some of the things that opossums will eat in the wild. * All green and yellow vegetables * Quantities of grass * Most types of fruit * Carrion * Snails, slugs, and worms of all types * Insects, flies, earwings and roaches etc. * Rats and mice * Snakes * Amphibians * Eggs * Crayfish and other fish if available * Cetain types of dog and cat food if left outside to feed someone's pets * In captivity they like all kinds of juices from---------------- www. squirrel-rehab.org

I agree, CC. Of course, life was quite different 30 or 35 years ago. Laws regarding this issue have changed considerably as have public opinions. Still, the morality of this was essentially the same back then as it is today. There was no information presented in this class( minus the objectionable material we are referencing) that could not be found in secular, informational materials. On second thought, this was the only class I recall where Wierwille said God told him the nature of original sin. He went on to say he had no scriptural proof and that we would have to just take his word for it. Yikes!---That should have been a massive red flag!!!!!

ADOPTED! Yeah, never thought of it quite that way. Jesus was Joseph's step-son. If you do a google search, you will be amazed how many famous people were adopted as children. I have a good friend who was adopted as a child. He had, I think, five siblings who were all adopted from different families. None of them became celebrities,but they were a close knit and loving family. DNA seems to have been a moot point for them.

Actually, my current dentist is quite good. I've also used this during local surgical procedures with good results. Another time I use it is when I find I have misplaced something. It seems to help me clear out distractions so I can recall where I left the sought after object. Again, not a Biblical application but useful none the less. Now as to TIP, I think the Way's teachings were waaaaaaaaay off the mark.

I am embarrassed and ashamed that I was involved at both an assistant and instructor level in running this class. My heartfelt apology goes out to anyone who may have sat through a class that I was involved with. waysider

KUDOS No small task, for sure!

DISCLAIMER! The following is not really about death, per se, and is strictly---JUST MY OPINION. I no longer believe that devil spirits are beings or creatures or whatever the correct term is. Still, I think they represent something that IS real. Example: Page 20 0f the Advanced Class syllabus states that alcoholism is caused by a DS named Leviathan. I don't believe that "Leviathan" is an actual being but rather a symbolic representation of something very real that takes place in the human psyche. Perhaps it even interacts at a so-called spiritual level. I don't know. Even so, I think it is representative of something real, though not a "being" or spiritual "entity". So then, even though it may really exist in a person's life, it is idiotic to think that simply ordering it to "be gone" will penetrate the complex network that surrounds the human mind. I'm not at all sure how any of that relates to the subject at hand, which is DEATH, other than we somehow got onto the subject of devil spirits infiltrating the mind at times of weakness, such as at the time one is having a near death experience. Sorry---- I'm just rambling again.

Hi Nero I still speak in tongues silently. I find it it be an effective way to clear my mind and refocus. Here's an example: I'm sitting in the dentist's chair and the pain is intense. I start to speak in tongues to myself, not as a prayer or anything like that. I find that it tricks my mind into ignoring the pain. That's enough reason right there for me to keep it. I do think, however, that TWI was very wrong in what they taught about ALL of the so-called "manifestations". But-----That's just my opinion. OK--- Now it's my turn to feel silly. What the heck are XP and :3?

Rats are rodents! I don't mean that to sound like a personal slam, they just are. Opossum, on the other hand, are marsupials. You know, those critters that have a pouch where they keep their young'uns. Their related to kangaroos and wallabies and wombats. Now about this here hollerin' stuff. I always heard you should holler at a 'possum to stay away from your supper. If you saw some of the stuff they will eat, you definitely would think twice before tossing one in the stew pot. No, actually, "holler" is a slang term for "hollow" which is a valley nestled into the hills. It's used in this sense as a noun, not a verb. (Had to throw that in on account of the "research" aspect of our backgrounds.) There's also a place nearby known locally as Skunk Holler, though that is an unofficial name. Here's some more local "speak". Roastin' Ears---------That's corn that you put on the fire while it's still in the husk instead of cleaning and boiling it. Yum,Yum---That there's good eatin'!

Thanks, JB That accident was 20 years ago. I've had similar experiences before and after. Guess I'm either accident prone or willing to take too many chances to put food on the table. Same thing every time, extreme instant sadness. Personally, what i think happens is that the body is confused by the abruptness of the trauma and starts sending out chemicals without examining the RX very closely. Thus too much of this, too little of that and so on. The thing I always laugh about when I watch those shows is this: Why would Aunt Minnie's spirit want to hide in my linen closet? I mean, it's a spirit, ya know? If I had freedom to go where ever I choose, I think I'd pick someplace other than a linen closet. Like someplace where I didn't have to look at white sheets all day.

cman I think I see part of what you are getting at. I call it the "state of death" in order to differentiate it from the actual "act of dying". Maybe that terminology isn't the most descriptive. The point is that, I was trying to show "death" and "dying" as being two different things. Kinda like the difference between "falling into a sleep" (not the death variety) and "being asleep".(having already gone through the falling process)

Irisheyes It does indeed sit here idling for several days sometimes. Lots of reasons, really.----- TS travels a lot, from what I understand. I'm not always at a computer that I can log on to.---- People get involved with other threads that interest them---- and the list goes on. As far as rules go------ It has to have had "airplay". If lyrics vary from version to version, the answer should reflect the version posted. NO GOOGLING! It's not a rule, but the older stuff usually works better here 'cause --well--- most of us ain't spring chickens, if you get my drift. And most importantly------- it's just for fun. I let my curiosity get the best of me and googled this one. I think it's a really good one. I even have the album it came from but who knows the last time I played it? Somebody will probably guess it.

"Where does one get a Prophet's License?" Well now, seems like a TRUE prophet would know EXACTLY where to get one, no? Hmmmmm. Maybe I'm confusing prophet with psychic. Which makes me wonder why Miss Cleo didn't see it coming when the long arm of the law closed in on her. Just rambling here.

Sorry, I don't have any guesses to offer regarding the similarities in experiences. Do you have to be conscious to have an NDE? Maybe that seems like I'm jesting but I'm really not. I came very, very near to death in the operating room once. (That at least accounts for the ND part of NDE.) I have absolutely no memory of it. I wouldn't even have known if a family member hadn't "let he cat out of the bag". Another time( one of several, actually) I had a construction accident that was extremely close. I was 4 stories up, all alone, in an unfinished structure when the accident occurred. There were no stairs so I had to climb down a series of ladders to reach the ground, all the while holding my head to try to control the bleeding. The flush of emotion happened at the very moment the accident took place, not during my descent. At the hospital, I discovered that I came within 1 or 2 millimeters of having my carotid artery severed. It was surreal to think about, but still, this was after that moment of extreme and acute emotion had passed. I think at that moment, my mind saw dying as a foregone conclusion and was struggling to comprehend the state of death it anticipated. No bright lights or anything like that, just an overwhelming sense of sadness.

Here's kind of a goofy thought that crossed my mind. I talked to someone recently who has had several people close to them die in the past few years. The person told me they are not afraid of dying and that if it happened today, they are ready. (No, I don't think this had any suicide connotations.) I didn't really think to ask this at the time, but now the question crosses my mind. When most people ponder this subject, do they ponder the STATE of death or the actual ACT of dying? Of course, there's no way to look at that statistically but it piques my interest. Personally, I'm not afraid of being dead, but I'm REALLY not keen on the actual dying part. I know that's probably weird but it seemed related to the subject. On a side note: I have had some experiences in my life that appeared to be events where, momentarily, you think to yourself, "This is it, it's over." Events that happened accidentally and quickly. Looking back on them, all I can remember, on an emotional level, was having an incredible swell of sadness overtake me. In a moments time I went from being "just fine" to being more depressed than I had ever been in my life. It wasn't a thought process, really, more of a flood of emotion. So I guess my question is: are we talking about the act of dying or the state of death?

WHATTTTT!!!!? They left out dmiller!!! Idiots!