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Hi, W.G. I just had a wacky thought.(Like that's news or somethin') Remember how, because pets were forbidden in Fellowlaborers, people used to get jade plants and cacti and keep them in their rooms? "Come on, Jadey, time for your walk." Or how about those sponge thingies that came in a plastic "egg" that you put in water and they "grew" overnight into a goldfish? HaHaHaHaHa! Oh yeah----They sold them at The Wayside Truck Stop. I think they were a quarter or fifty cents.

Hiya, Guys! (Oldies, John, WTH, etc.) Just wanted to pass along a little friendly advise. Next time you are out on the town, you may want to keep a close watch on your drink. Correction, make that a VERY close watch. Ya see, this "drug thing" is apparently gaining momentum and being a guy does not make you immune. Do you think being young, strong and athletic puts you at an advantage? (Uhmmm!-- You are all young, strong and athletic, right?) I Trow not! "He was a mean, mean man." ---------Mrs. W.--------------------- I think she may have known his true nature just a bit more intimately than you fellas. Food for thought: http://www.findbrianshaffer.com/ http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=33742

As a mater of clarification, the "response" in my previous post was not mine. It was Oldiesman's

excath. In response to your question: I am 57 years old. Do I ever see a lady in my age bracket and think "Wowzer!!!"? Of course. That's hardly the same thing as practicing predatory behavior to violate young women. Hey! women do it too.( The "Wowzer!!!" thing, that is.) Do I think about harming teenage girls? To tell you the truth, it's hard to look at a lady under 30 or 35 and not think, "Hey, that could be my daughter or granddaughter." Of course, that in itself is kinda weird since I have only male progeny. OK, all kidding aside, It is natural for a man to see an attractive lady and feel a sense of arousal. That's a far cry from what is being promoted as "typical" or "normal" ( Or worse yet, "excusable") by some who post here. For whatever it's worth, that's my opinion.

Shoot a PM over to Eagle, he might know.

QUOTE(doojable @ Oct 22 2007, 08:26 AM) * Show me where Solomon drugged and raped women. Show me where he taught that he'd heal them with his 'manhood.' The issue isn't vp's amount of sexual desire, nor is it the time period that he was born, The issue is HOW he chose to use people - young girls at that - to fulfill his sexual desires. Another issue is manipulation. The very fact that you're so impressed with his amount of sexual desire says more about you than it does about anyone else. The amount isn't evil. The desire isn't evil. Even a GREAT amount isn't evil. Manipulation, drugging, lying and rape are evil. ------------------------------------------------------------ RESPONSE(post#350) I suspect Solomon didn't have to drug women; he was the King and could have any woman he wanted. He was the King and women flocked to him; just like they flocked to Wierwille. Like some kind of a rock star. I don't know why he had to use drugs though; he had all the women without them. That was wrong for sure. But maybe he did it just to loosen them up? You know the uptight ones. I never tried it, but I heard that some of these date rape drugs enhance the sexual desire. Sort of like a sexual aid. BTW most if not all men fantisize about young women. That is a fact of nature and any guy who disputes this is either lying or gay.

Two cats that came to us as kittens(sisters) from a family of feral cats that lived in the woods at a metro park. For about the first two years, you couldn't even pick them up even though we kept them in the house. Now, after ten years, you can't walk or sit anywhere without them clamoring for attention. They still have their wild moments, though, and not a day goes by that they don't break into a full blown scuffle. Also, a tortoise that has lived in a confined area of the backyard for almost 15 years. He just hibernated, in the soft soil I provide, last week. He won't dig his way back out until right around Easter, I always thought the symbolism was kinda cool.

John I believe it is you who owes the entire GSC community an apology for suggesting that a legal technicality involving age makes what VPW did acceptable. Sexual predation is a problem that has no age boundaries. It is especially heinous when it involves someone under aged, yes, but it does not automatically become somehow "OK" if it involves someone of legal consent age. You see, John, the pertinent factor here is not whether the victim was of the age of consent, but that consent was not an option. Stop looking for loopholes and accept reality. RE: John never hit me. Who cares? That's between you and John and God Almighty. It has little, if anything, to do with the subject at hand.

Oldies Let's not mince words. Wierwille was a sexual predator. He didn't just fantasize, he acted out his obsessions and committed criminal acts in the process. Now, you can dance around and claim that since he was never prosecuted or found guilty, that makes him innocent. Well, you may be correct in a court of law but in light of God's word, he is found "wanting in the balance". He was not a king. The woman of the kingdom did not "belong" to him. Even the concept of "all the women of the kingdom belong to the king" is erroneous, so the point would be moot even if he WAS a king. He was a text book sexual predator who intentionally created situations that would facilitate his behavior. He wasn't even unique in that respect. Think long and deep, Oldies. If he were someone other than VP Wierwille, would he be the type of man you would want as a role model?

The way I see it, the cancer thing is not really a debuhl spurt issue at all, it's a credibility issue. I don't personally believe cancer is possession or that Dr. Wierwille's cancer was proof he was "possessed". What I do believe is that, if he was wrong on this stuff, he could have been wrong about anything, including some of the conclusions he reached in the piffle class.(Which he got from BG Leonard, not God) Just my opinion ----Everybody has one.(opinion, that is.)

Joe Bonamassa at the Beachland Ballroom.

Not much change here in Ohio yet. It's really late this year.

Hi Walking Lots of really good points in your post. Is it possible for you to put any of your music on youtube and post it on "Music Lovers" or "Guitar Talk"?

Hi, Mike I think what Tom was giving was only intended to be a synopsis. Do you think there is anything in PFAL that might address the sex scandals? BTW----The purpose of this thread was to determine whether Mr. Wierwille ever taught that cancer has a life of its own and whether he ever taught that it is caused by devil possession. I think we pretty well established that he did.

Hi CK You sure have good taste in music.

Experience vs. Words Most people build their belief systems around their personal experiences and use words to give them credence. This is true for all beliefs, not just ones that involve spiritual matters. In TWI, our "experiences" were those times we spent at twig, the branch pot-lucks, the Sunday night services, the grueling boredom of Corps meetings or Fellowlaborer meetings or classes like Keys To Research, etc. The "words", on the other hand, were the actual texts of the classes, the PFAL book, the transcripts and tapes of the Sunday night service, etc. There has to be a healthy balance that is based on reality for it to make any sense. Sometimes we see people who have an inordinate fixation on good "experiences" and they feel they must use "words" to find self- justification. Sometimes we see people who have an inordinate fixation on the "words" who feel they must discount their experiences to try to make sense of it all. The healthiest approach is to look at all the data and be flexible enough to change---and then change again as new information presents itself. That's just my opinion---- but it could change.

Thanks, Vickles As I read it, the thought occurred to me that in The Way, we were expected to be the "same" person regardless of the situation. Kinda like a robot that always performs in a predictable fashion. "Walk The Word"---"The Word is your focus"---"The Word is at stake"----etc. That's not normal and it's not healthy. One of the things I like about GreaseSpot, is the freedom to express a wide variety of opinions; to explore different facets of the personality; to see how another person may view a subject in a completely different light than myself; to see that sometimes the line between right and wrong is a fuzzy one, at best. Thanks for making my old brain see it in written form.

Hi, Nero It's good to see you here. It takes time to unravel all the knots and snarls in our thinking that were conceived and nurtured in TWI. A lot of this stuff has very little to do with doctrines, such as 4 crucified, and lots and lots to do with how we lived on a day to day basis. There are lots of helpful and compassionate people here(and your usual assortment of hard-heads too) Don't be afraid to ask for help. You can always shoot somebody a PM if you don't want to discuss something publicly.

Or he could be saying he prefers Dapper Dan Pomade for his hair care needs.

HeHeHe---- I know this one!

I dunno Is it just me or has anyone else ever noticed that photos of Hitler don't exactly exemplify features of the so-called master race he touted? But, who's to say? Maybe those old black and white photos just don't do justice to the blond hair and blue eyes that would have defined him as the ultimate role model he would logically have been.

Rascal We believed it was true. The people who told us, believed it was true. The people who told them, believed it was true. The people who told the people who told the people, believed it was true. But if you follow the trail far enough back, I think you will find someone who knew it was a scam. Their enticement tactics were deliberate not inadvertent. I was the first member of my family to become involved. I got other members of my family involved That involvement changed their lives, as well as mine, in profoundly permanent ways that are not unique to my family alone. These people who say, "You could have just walked away." have no idea what they are even talking about. If they really believe it was/is that easy, perhaps THEY should just walk away from GSC to prove it since they seem to contend that GSC is wrong.

I stand corrected. I thought this was handled in the last session but apparently that is incorrect as the instructors manual clearly states it is to be handled in the first session. Thanks, WD.

You just might be walking by the five senses if------------ You fail to see the deep spiritual significance of rinsing Mung Bean sprouts. You mistakenly believe that cleaning toilets in the BRC is a disgusting task instead of a golden opportunity for spiritual growth. Forgive me Father, for yea verily, I do loath millet(and liver & onions.) You might be walking by the five senses if you find yourself asking, "Why the heck do we say Yea verily so much?"

Sorry---Double post