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John, with all due respect. Picture yourself, if you will, being awakened out of a dead sleep at 3 AM, in the middle of Podunk, USA, with almost no money and being informed that you are a total disgrace to God and you must immediately vacate the state you are in if you have any expectation of even remaining inside God's hedge of protection. Failure to do so could not only result in your falling from God's favor, it could result in your death. Would you still have those warm, fuzzy feelings or do you think you would feel like the world is crashing in around you? I saw this happen to my FLO brothers. Two of them lived in the same "house" as me. It almost happened to me as well, later on, but I had a "cute" wife who unwittingly bought me a reprieve. I'm thankful you never saw this stuff but it really did happen.

Good advice. NY? Nice to see you. Nero-----------You sound like a "kid" that any parent should be VERY proud of. (When you start getting old, everybody's a "kid".) They need your love and support right now, not a bunch of doctrinal razzle dazzle, mumbo-jumbo. Just continue to do whatever you can to help them with what needs to happen at the physical level, and deal with the doctrinal, addiction stuff after things settle down. Who knows? Maybe that stuff will resolve itself anyway. Just my 2cents.

Freebie----Freebie----Freebie!!!! Who'll post the next one? How about you, Strange One?

I'm sittin' here with my grandson Cletus(that's his name), Cleophus(he's the ornery one) and Clara Belle(that's short for Helen). When they saw this, the three of them, in unison, exclaimed, "AWESOME!!" For once, I totally agreed with all three of them. Life is one big, exciting adventure.

Hmmmm! "A spirit of Wierwille type BS" I think he may have skipped that one in the Advanced Class.

Okay, again I'm off topic. I remember VP smuggly criticizing denominational Christianity for using "five senses" criteria in determining where to send missionaries. He flat out stated that he just asked God where to send them and God told him. He made a big deal out of it. The guy was either delusional or one dang good con-man.( probably both.) The same hype surrounded ordinations. We were always led to believe that an ordination signified a genuine gift ministry. When someone got ordained, people would speculate on which gift ministry/ies the person had. I think there must have been some who actually did, but that's not really the point, now is it?

Hmmmmm. I'm with you on quite a bit of that, actually. 1. "Believing" is a crock---------check 2. "We must tithe" is a crock----check 3."It's your own fault 'cause you didn't blah, blah, blah" is a crock---------check Bad stuff happens because sometimes bad stuff just happens------check Here's where it gets sticky. I can't even count how many times I've heard the following section of scripture used to show that God does not tempt us.(also translated "try" us) --------------------------------------------- James 1:12-17 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to him that love him. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted neither tempteth he any man.: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringth forth death. Do not err, my beloved brethren Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. ------------------------------------------------------- Then, of course, you have the stuff about God being light (and no darkness) and "God is love" and the God tests us theory seems a bit thin. But, I could be wrong about what these scriptures mean. Back to topic The guy seems Waaaaaaay too obsessed with elevating Wierwille to a super hero level for me to even want to try to give him a "listen". Just my opinion.

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Scout Most reputable places are more than happy to offer that service to you regardless of the model. I have no idea what you should expect to pay in terms of a fee. For most places, it's kind of a "foot in the door" opportunity. They get to show you they are competent and develop a business relationship for the future when you need to buy strings and picks and widgets and gizmoes. And, it's a good way to see if they might offer lessons at your level. My nephew is a guitar instructor in the Cleveland area. He actually has a waiting list of people who want to enter at the beginner's level so you may encounter that if the teacher is very good. Good luck to you. I hope you have a rewarding experience.

I never really thought of it like that, Twinky. Dunno why. Just didn't. One person I sponsored(a very small amount) is still in and holds a "leadership" position. Another is in a splinter group and holds a "leadership" position there. Thinking about that is probably worse than the other way around. lol! In Fellow Laborers, we were "self-sponsored". We had to ABS, sponsor a corps member, and work for them for free on top of that. But there was always a lurking feeling that if you left the program you would be letting down the believers in your hometown who were counting on you to come back with spiritual enlightenment when you graduated. I guess you could think of them as the FLO counterpart of a "spiritual partner". In my case, that feeling was compounded because my family was "in the Word" also. I can't remember any who quit the program,though I'm sure there must have been some. People left FLO because they got "tossed" out, usually in the middle of the night. We were never, ever given a reason. I myself came close one time for something completely asinine.(on their part, not mine) We were instructed to never discuss them and carry on as if they never existed. In other words, "Just get over it!." Maybe that's part of why this "Get over it!" stuff rubs me the wrong way. It didn't help anyone one iota to ignore the contributions these people who were excused made to the program. I think leadership knew we had these feelings about our commitments and used that knowledge to make us feel guilty. (and thus controlled us.)

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Euripedes, who died in 406 BC, said: "The tongue is mightier than the blade." "Many wearing rapiers are afraid of goosequills." Spoken by Rosencrantz in Hamlet (Aprox. 1600) "From this it is clear how much more cruel the pen may be than the sword." From The Anatomy of Melancholy by Robert Burton (1621) "Go on doing with your pen what in other times was done with the sword." Written by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Thomas Paine (1796) "Beneath the rule of men entirely great, THE PEN IS MIGHTIER THAN THE SWORD." From ActII of Richelieu (1839) by Edward Bulwer-Lytton Yes, Wierwille is dead and can't "hurt" anyone personally, but the ideas he promoted live on in his written works and are rooted in the recesses of our psyches. That's why it is vital that , although we should learn to deal with the damages in our daily lives, it is important we never fool ourselves into thinking these things did not happen or that they can't happen again to us or to others. IMO edited to note that I gleaned these quotes from "trivia-library.com"

It's much too groovy a summer's day To waste runnin' 'round in the city But here on the sand I can dream away Or look at the girls if they're pretty -------------------------------------- Nothin' on my mind -------------------------------------- And I dig it!

I tried to get a password for their site but apparently "genuflect" was already taken.

One of the lucky ones who got away!

Your Long Journey----written by Doc and Rosa Lee Watson From the Raising Sand CD by Robert Plant and Alison Krauss Yeah, I know, an unlikely combination. (but it works) Powerfully haunting. I can't stop listening to it! Did I mention it's powerfully haunting?

Is that a number, a letter or a geometric form?

I have NEVER seen this. Therefore---------- It has NEVER happened. I think you are all just being negative and trying to drag down the hospitality industry, which we all should know by now, was inspired by direct revelation from Gawd!! That's from session #1 of Power For Abundant Traveling. Hotels 6:1 "And the Lord said, 'Let there be Hotels!'" And the hotels prospered and multiplied. I think it's about time you all stop bashing this noble industry and GET OVER IT!!!!

There's nothing easier I can do Than lyin' around doing nothing. ------------------- Things that are waiting to mess my mind Will just have to wait 'til tomorrow.

VPW was a sexual predator, a con-man, a drunkard and, as Mrs. W. said at his funeral, "He was a mean, mean man.". If Chas. Manson had made the above statement, would that make it any less true? Looks like you might be the one who is doing the "winking" here, John. Stop changing the subject. The theme of this thread is a discussion of sales techniques used to sell PLAF.

I sponsored 2 people at 10 dollars a month. When times started getting tough, I split the 10 dollars between the two. Just to keep things in perspective, I think I probably made something like $2.00 or $2.25 an hour at my "9-5" job. When the checks got smaller, the letters got fewer. I don't think there was really any way for them to monitor this accurately because it would have required assigning a FLO to do the monitoring since WE did all that type of work. We would have known who was given that chore. The monthly fee was another matter. There were 6 per house. Each of us paid $150. That's $900 a month.(Times 8 "houses".) There is just no way an apartment cost that kind of money in 1975, especially in the rural area where we were located. Yeah, there was the $6 fee too. ----No $6=No eat( Though you had to sit with those who did and could not accept sharing from anyone.) And, you had to buy your own lunch and do laundry with what little you had. It just kinda burns my butt that we where paying for the privilege to be poor. Anyway, I apologize for driving this so far off-topic. I think the original emphasis was on the actual contents that comprised the Corps application.

This became quite popular in parts of the US in the late sixties. At least it was where I lived. Alas, it's popularity was fleeting. I used to have my own pot and cups. "Calico Blue", I think, was the pattern. I used to use a "tea ball". Is that cheating? Jasmine and Orange-Clove were my favorites. I enjoyed the aroma as much as the flavor. There is something positive to be said for the distraction from normal activity that is required for preparation.

Sudo For what it's worth: I always enjoy the clips but I can't watch them on my own computer. I have to wait until I can access my son's computer to view them. And posting something of my own(beyond youtube) is a whole other matter. Just wanted you to know your efforts are not unappreciated.

Didn't Rosemary's Boo-Boo predate this by a couple years? I never really saw the whole movie(on account of I went to see it at the Drive-In. ) Lookin' back, though, you would think Rosemary's Babushka would have put a serious damper on any activity that was known to take place at the Drive-In.