waysider

Personally, I don't see a problem with someone "lifting" their cares and concerns up to God and putting them in His hands. It just seems, to me anyway, that once you give them to God, He's not going to drop them or give them back. That's why it makes sense to "lift" something the first time and subsequently "pray" about it. Maybe that's where the phrase, "It's out of my hands now." originated.(But probably not :) ) Hence, a "lift list" makes sense for first time items but is really a "prayer" list thereafter. With that said, I think for many people, it's really just a matter of semantics (and habit) and may or may not be an indication of the true nature and essence of their prayer. As always----Just my opinion

Happy B-Day, Mr. Moose!!!

When I was growing up, there were many people in our neighborhood who were first generation immigrants from Eastern Europe, Russia and Ukraine. Many spoke very little English. Not only did they bring their native languages, they brought their unique manner of dress and dance and, of course, many types of food that I had never heard of. Near downtown Cleveland, there was/is a large European type market. Part of it is indoors and part is outdoors. The individual stands are run by vendors who independently own the businesses and rent the spaces. Early in the morning, several times a week, I would see the ladies with their folded up wire pull-carts boarding the city bus to make a trek to the market. They would buy lots of fresh food in smaller quantities. Maybe this practice had to do with nutrition. Maybe it was because they were limited by what they could transport on the bus. Maybe it was because they didn't have access to refrigeration in their homelands and the habit lived on. But, looking back, I have to also wonder if maybe they continued to do it this way because it afforded them an opportunity to interact with people who shared a common language and culture. So much of that culture has disappeared that the younger people don't even realize it ever existed. It's a pity, really. It must have been a lot of extra work but it held its own rewards. BTW---We eat something here that is a variation of Spotted Dog. It's called Old Fashioned Bread Pudding. Kinda of a "hurry-up" version of the original, of course. It, too, includes currents in the ingredients. No chopped toad in it, though, to the best of my knowledge.

T minus 88 87 and counting.

I'm An Alright Guy

The Ford Brothers

Fear of what would happen if I ever left after hearing "Da Trute"!

T minus 89 and counting!

Pssst! BOWTWI There's a bit of a hint in Tom's post.

Shout!--------Lulu

Will there be any Polka music?

GEO I didn't intend to sound cold although I realize now, that is how it came out. I only meant that the style of writing in your post closely resembled that of Notes From Underground. Please accept my apology. waysider

Shout!-----The Isley Brothers

The vernal equinox (first day of spring) will arrive on 3/20 2008 @ 05:58. Only 90 days 'til spring!!!

When I was young, I never needed anyone.

I think the strange one named Tom should get the next one as he was already in hot pursuit when it entered my little "burg" at a high rate of speed.

Hmmmm! I forgot about this thread. Here's how it was explained to me "way back when". (Please bare in mind that there was a dinosaur roaring in the background at the time I heard this so I may not have it completely accurate.) ----------------------------------------------------- As a child, you go to your Daddy with a broken kite. The kite's damage is weighing heavily on your mind. Therefore, you "lift" the kite up (since Daddy is much bigger than you) and "relinquish" it to him so he can fix it. As you do so, your concern and anxiety melt away because you are confident Daddy knows exactly what to do to fix that busted kite. The remedy is now in his hands and the burden of concern has been "lifted" from you. (and transfered to Daddy.) --------------------------------------------------------------- I haven't a clue what scriptures were used to illustrate this. It does make sense when you look at it that way. But, my problem with using terminology like this is that it is exclusive in nature. Now, someone else pointed out that they have heard the phrase used elsewhere. That would certainly diminish or even eliminate the exclusive aspect of its usage. Still, don't you think that we should have been striving to use terms that were more universally understood? (in light of of us being an "outreach" ministry) I mean, we should have tried to develop a vocabulary that made outsiders feel INcluded, not EXcluded. The part that REALLY did not make any sense was the idea of a "lift list". I mean, if you relinquished your concern and anxiety about a particular person or situation yesterday, how come it found its way back into your hands today? Did your Daddy hand the busted kite back to you when you weren't looking? Seems like you should lift it once and be rid of it, no? That's where it seems more appropriate to use the word "pray" than "lift". Somehow it seems OK to pray about something more than once but kinda weird to give the same thing away time after time. Just my take on it.

That's just too funny Bible Dave! I don't suppose you were ever called out in the middle of the night by a limb leader and made to sit in total darkness and silence until the mighty MOG himself appeared and told you all what worthless pieces of cr@p you all were and that the ministry was going down the tubes because you, representing the birthplace of the only ministry that ever mattered, were total screw-ups. I don't suppose you were ever publicly ridiculed, belittled and told that's you are not supposed to think, you are supposed to jump when the MOG says jump without pausing to question. Think that stuff didn't happen?There were 49 people in the room, besides myself, when those 2 occurrences took place. And there were more---lots and lots more. No. nobody stood in a pulpit and said" take your Bibles and turn to----" but if you see this stuff often enough it is the same as being taught by example. Guess I was a poor student, though because I just couldn't bring myself to utilize those kind of tactics. There's about a gazillion accounts here on GSC of people being "taught" that very thing by virtue of example. PS--Say, can I have some of your purple Osley berries?

Just for fun

OK, GEO put down the Dovstoyevsky, keep your hands where I can see them, and back away slowly. Just funnin' with ya.

Yup--(Todd Rundgren) I probably should have saved that one for a Monday morning.

Seasons In The Sun--------Terry Jacks ---------------------------------------------------- I Don't Want To Work.

Sorry, Mike Nothing personal. It just doesn't work that way with verbal instruction. It just keeps moving forward like a piece of music being played. Once you hear a particular passage, it's either forgotten or captured in your memory. There is no rewind feature. Sometimes it follows symphonic form and presents variations before it recapitulates and then moves on. Ultimately, though, the musical program moves forward and builds to a climax.

Hi there, MIKE!! Just for shirts and girdles, can you show me where it does NOT line up with the Word? Hurry, MIKE, hurry!!! Don't forget, you're in the middle of an ongoing meeting. No time to stop and do "word studies". OOPS! Sorry, MIKE, we couldn't wait for you to research the subject. We've moved on to something else now.