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Hi there Irish! See, here's how it works------- You're supposed to post lyrics to a song for us to guess, not personal observations regarding TWI. HaHaHa---Just funnin' wit ya. I have no idea on this one.

Hey!!! That looks just like the pony I chased around the block 50+ years ago with Sandy Jones! We would have caught it, too, if our broomstick buckin' broncos could have galloped a little faster. Maybe there's still hope of catching it!

Will there be a door prize for the first one to spot(but not be eaten by) The Gahanna Lion? http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/07/1...loc1ohlion.html

Believe it or not, I also have a set of these.(read by Alexander Scorby) I did not get mine through the bookstore, though. I think I got them through a Christian bookstore. Can't remember, though I don't know why.(It was only 35 years ago.) Thanks for the generous offer, though.

Quick, seemingly unrelated, question: Was this guy a car mechanic in NY/NJ at one time? Did he go by the nickname "Skip" or am I thinking of someone else?

OUCH!! My head hurts! "Can God make a rock bigger than He can lift?" "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" My days of looking for secret meanings and hidden codes are far behind me. If it can't be tied into living the love of God, it probably isn't all that important. IMO

Hmmmmmmm! I'm thinking it was more like swamp land than farm land. But, yeah. I bought it all completely for about 10 years. When I finally did drift away,after another 8 or 10 years, I felt like I was venturing out on thin ice, wondering when and if the ice would break underneath my feet.

Hmmmmm. What's the secret password? :B)

Bliss Thanks for the link in post#29. I looked at a bit of it earlier. Very interesting. I plan to read more of it as time permits.

For the harmonica players amongst us: http://members.cox.net/dmurray777/harpVideo.xml Found this on a harmonica forum called Harp-L.

And then Tab Hunter followed with his version almost immediately. So you could get get your choice of Sonny's version(country) or Tab's version(pop) on the same juke box. (If you could squeeze it in between "Paper Roses" and "He'll Have To Go".)

Will there be a secret handshake? I think we need a secret handshake. And maybe there should be a secret password to get in the door. Yeah, that's it. Somethin' like----"Psssst, cousin Louie sent me." -----------Or-------------- Maybe something like----"Pedro picked a peck of pink petunias in Pataskala." Hmmmmm. I might need to give this a little more thought.

Irisheyes Yup, "Ya done good." Now, if you drop below the bottom quote bracket before you start to type, it will display the captured section in its entirety. Regarding the concept question: I think a concept can also represent reality. Take, for example, the concept of God describing Himself in terms that would normally be used to describe a flesh and bones human being. He bares His mighty arm. His wrath is angered, etc. Yet, we know from scripture that he does not have human physical attributes. He is spirit. It's a concept described in a way that helps our human minds understand, to a degree, the reality of what is being expressed. Perhaps metaphoric is not the correct term, semantically, but It is how I have come to think of concepts that express reality. As CMan pointed out, Paul said "I die daily." It wasn't true from a reality perspective but there is a concept being expressed there that addresses some specific and real part of life and death.

Hi there, Mr. Moose I've been kinda hogging these lately. Plus, this one was real easy for me. Is it OK if it rides for a while longer?

Very insightful post, John

I offer my apology. I didn't do a very good job of explaining what I meant when I said man invented time. What I meant ( I'm hoping this explains it) is that man can't grasp the concept of "time/eternity" having no end. Thus, what he has done is to invent a system that will divide out small portions of that endless continuum that make more immediate sense. That explains the concept of minutes, days, seasons, etc. In reality, it is a continuously evolving transition that follows a somewhat predictable sequence that man has isolated and used to give some sort of quantitative value. And so, God can look down at the helix that spirals down around the cone representing "time/eternity" and observe any given moment, whether it be in the next millennium or the last, in an observational but non-participating fashion. This also explains the dilemma with Isaiah's death prediction and reprieve. God could see the points in time that represented the precipitating conditions, the resultant death, and the subsequent changes that resulted in a reprieve all at the same time. Thus,for God to say He saw Isaiah's death represented on that spiral staircase of "time/eternity" would be an observation not an interference. At least I think that's the way I remember him teaching it.

Yeah, I see your point. It was a big hit in Country and Pop at the same time. Did I mention it's sappy? :)

Happy Thanksgiving!!!!

Well, I couldn't find my previous post on this so I'll post the essence of it again. I heard G@yle W!n3g@rner teach this a long time ago. I don't know if it is Biblically accurate but it makes a lot of sense. Foreknowledge Picture an ice cream cone, without the ice cream, in 3-D. Now, turn it upside-down. The ice cream cone represents eternity. Now, picture a line that extends from top to bottom and spirals around like a spiral staircase that has a zillion steps. Any step on that spiral staircase represents a moment in time. (You see, "eternity" is much too large a concept for the human mind to grasp. Therefore, man invented "time" as a means of measuring out portions of eternity in quantities small enough to comprehend.) Now, God is seated at the top of the cone.(the apex) He can look down toward the base of the cone and see any step on the staircase. Thus, He can look backward and forward at any moment in eternity(Which you and I call "Time".) He's not manipulating what happens on those steps, He's just observing like a security camera in a parking lot, at least when He is operating "foreknowledge". And there you have one explanation of Foreknowledge. Right or wrong? You be the judge. .

Hey there Bulwinkl My Dad worked nights as a bartender back in the late '50s. This one used to get a fair amount of play on the jukebox, along with Patsy Cline, Jim Reeves and Hank Sr. I agree, though, it's sappy!!!!

Hi Irish To capture a post, you click on quote/reply in the lower right. Then, you can delete sections that are not relevant to your commentary or insert your own commentary as you see fit. You can bold it, underline it, color it, or whatever else you think will show a separation of your words from the captured post. -------------------------------------------------------------- I "drifted" away in about 1990. (Took "the class" in 1972) Re: The devil. Remember when you were a kid and the devil was represented as a guy with a red cape, horns and a pitchfork? Fast forward to your time in TWI where you learned that he was actually not that guy with a pitchfork, but, rather, a spiritual creature. The reality was still there, but your perception was altered. Now take that one step farther. Perhaps he's not a spiritual creature, but, rather, a metaphoric concept that represents some larger truth. Again, the reality is still there, but your perception has been once again altered. Ditto on the devil spirits and power surrounding this whole subject. You see, it does not nullify the scriptures that pertain to this subject. Instead, it raises them to a new level of awareness. But like I said, this is stuff I thought I had figured out (somewhat) before I got into The Way. I could be completely wrong. But, it seems like I am moving back in this direction in my thinking. Have a happy turkey day----That's an order!!!!!

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Having left TWI many years ago, I no longer think of the "devil" as an entity, per se. I now personally view the devil and his powers as being metaphoric in essence. That doesn't make any of it less real for me. A lot of things we were taught about the devil and devil spirits, I now consider to be highly inaccurate in a Biblical sense. In other words, no, I don't believe in his existence as an individual entity yet I still believe the concept, itself, is valid. Ditto on the question regarding power. The power exists but I don't believe it emanates from the "devil" we have come to know through TWI and mainstream Christianity in general. Funny thing is, I actually feel like I had a pretty good handle on much of this stuff BEFORE I got "in the Word". TWI taught me I had to put God under some kind of spiritual microscope and never step back to get a panoramic view. Here's an example. Before TWI, I was pretty sure God could "talk" to me in non verbal ways such as nature and emotions. Then when I got involved with TWI, it seemed like I had to put Him in a jar like a captive firefly and never marvel at the beauty of it as it flits carefree through the night sky. I don't know if that makes much sense but I wanted to try to answer your question honestly.

For me, at least, the real issue is credibility. If VP had this all wrong, (and I personally think he did) what else did he have wrong? I never saw this used to deliver and heal people. I saw and heard people SAY it was being used that way but never actually witnessed it in "real time". It seemed like it was used to control people and put them in the passenger seat.(or maybe the "rumble seat") Just my 2 cents.

My condolences go out to you and his family, Seth.