waysider

-------It's a moot point, Oldies.------- It's not about whether he used the actual word "murder". It's about the fact that he told us the boy died as a direct result of the "fear" in the mother's heart. He did not say it was alleged. He said it happened. He was implying that fear in our lives would yield similar results. That's the conclusion that he intended for us to draw. Then he offered the solution for the "problem". Everyone has fears of one sort or another. That(having fears) doesn't cause actual events to take place in ones life. It's nothing more than a control tactic that utilizes fear of consequences as the motivator. It's used frequently in advertising. You probably never realized that "ring around the collar" was such a social dilemma until some advertiser told you so. Not to worry, though, they had a product that could solve the problem you never knew you had. The difference is that they never implied you could die from "ring around the collar".

Each Twig is self-supporting, self-propagating and self-governing in cooperation with its respective Branch as each Branch is to its respective Limb, as each Limb is to its respective Trunk, as each Trunk is to the Root of the Way. ----------The Way Tree class-----1974.

Well, golly, gee. How about the fact that he made this statement ("Keep it in your pants.") to hundreds, maybe thousands of WOWs. What he said/ What he did.

OOPS! Sorry The first line is actually: "Every time I try to PROVE I love you-----" (Though the other line appears in the song, as well.) Man, I thought this one would jump off the page. Should I just toss in the towel?

Hi, Jonny Since we appear to be off-topic anyway--------- Have you been to Harp-L lately? Someone started a thread a couple days ago called "harmonica and dancing women" It's an invitation to share Stowwwwries about ladies who like to dance in front of the bandstand while you are trying to perform. Harp on, Brother.

Hi, happyheart! Welcome to GSC. So sorry they hurt you. I hope we can say or do something that can help. waysider

HEEHEEHEEHEE! Actually, they (you) only "allegedly" said (did) that.

Ahhh! C'mon, Irish! Don't stop NOW! This one's easy as----------

Perhaps a clue to the India--train scene is hidden in the works of---------- Eli Stanley Jones E. Stanley Jones, as you may recall, spent many years as a missionary in India. So many, in fact, that he is sometimes called "the Billy Graham of India". FACT Jones is credited as being the author of the now famous quote: "Fear is sand in the machinery of life." Here is a Wiki link on E. Stanley Jones http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Stanley_Jones Jones was a very prolific writer. Pay special attention to the titles of some of his writings. His writings included works titled: The Way Living Victoriously Abundant Living How To Pray Christ and Human Suffering And so on-----

Unless I have misunderstood, this thread is not about doing "what God tells you to do, not what people think you should do." It's about comparing what "they" said to what "they" did.

Ain't that the truth?

VP said---( as a representative of "they".) "Keep it in your pants."

Hair----- The Cowsills (or from the musical by the same name.) ------------------------------------------------------- "Every time I make a move to love you---------"

Drawing a blank here, too.

When I post here about things I experienced in fellow laborers, I am not usually posting about things that happened only to me. There were usually 50 other people in the room or, if it happened in our "house", there were usually at least 6 people present. Some of them post here. Some of them know someone who posts here or are known by someone who posts here. Some of them lurk here. Some have never heard of GSC. And, of course, there are some who have left this world behind. Why on earth would I want to fabricate something that could be refuted by 50 (give or take) other people who were there? If my memory of these events is incorrect, I'm open to correction. This same concept applies to people who were in the corps, except there were many more than 50 who shared common events. For goodness sake! There were 50 other people in the room the time we were called out in the middle of the night to be told what total failures we had been. There were 50 other people present when we were told the whole ministry might go down the tubes because we, representing the birthplace of the ministry, had failed. Just how many "eyewitnesses" does one really need?

The reason I posted the link on iron overload is because there are a number of studies that indicate that when iron is COMBINED with cholesterol that the potential for health related problems increases substantially. Men don't normal expel iron that they ingest. Women do expel iron until menopause at which time their expulsion rate mimics that of men. There are strong indicators that suggest this may explain why women are less prone to heart attack than men during child bearing years. After menopause, however, statistics show women to be on an even plane of risk as men. Bottom line is that if you are a man, or post menopausal woman, it is not prudent to add to your iron intake unless there is some specific reason to do so.(ie: it's been medically advised.) And even more prudence should be exercised if the cholesterol levels are high. --------------------- TEFLON Most of the concern has been focused on a chemical known as C-8, which is used to manufacture Teflon. It is not the Teflon, itself. There is a DuPont plant only a couple hours from here. High levels of C-8 have found their way into the groundwater. The area is fairly rural so private wells are a common source of residential water. There are a number of ongoing studies addressing this situation at present.

"Eric Clapton on ukulele----Hi, Eric."

Hi, Irish Yes, I meant the cereal, familia, a staple of the FLO diet that was laced with flax seeds I really should have bolded the word functioning when I made that statement. The way I heard it taught(and this was by VP) was that people in the OT only had dreams because they had no spirit inside with which God could communicate. Thus, if you had dreams in this day and age, it either meant you were not born again or(if you were born-again) that spirit critters were trying to enter your trapdoor, or you were seriously out of fellowship. He said that God only talks to believers, via dreams, today, if they are so far out of fellowship that they can't receive revelation. Just makes you want to jump right up in morning fellowship and exclaim,"Hey!, guess what I dreamt!?", now doesn't it? Pond I'm kinda like you. I hardly ever remember having dreams, though it's not a matter of having them.(we all do) It's a matter of remembering. Yeah, that and the fact that I'm a really, really sound sleeper.

You want to know what happened to that little boy? I'll tell you what happened to that little boy. Ya see, people, he was born in India with a withered arm. The only way he could ride a bicycle was if he twisted the handlebars sideways. One night, some hooligan emerged from the local tavern and exclaimed, "I can whip any man in town!" (For verily, he was filled with spirits.) As luck would have it, there was not another soul in sight. (They were all snowed in and didn't dare venture from the warmth and safety of their trailers.) So instead, he brought his aggressions into manifestation by kicking the nearest object, which just happened to be that little boy's bicycle, thus throwing the handlebars into a state of serious misalignment. The next morning, the little boy jumped on his bike and, as he sped away, he plunged head first into some snow covered gas pumps. Instantly a violent explosion ensued. Yes, that's right, the snow itself actually burst into flames and then exploded. (The gas pumps, ironically, were unscathed.) His mother had him interred in a red draped coffin in honor of the boy's favorite stage play, Red's My Color, What's Yours? by Norman Wexler. His mother was heard to say, "He was one mean, mean bicycle rider."

And then there is this. http://www.nytimes.com/specials/women/warc...70305_1156.html Reference to cholesterol/ iron relationship appears near end of article.

Me thinks we already KNOW what he's trying to promote. Same thing WE were trying to promote(unwittingly) all dressed up in a different suit of clothes. One thing that really caught my attention was how they target high profile prospects. It's certainly not a revolutionary concept in the world of advertising. The Way did this quite a bit in the 1970s as well. I call it "trophy mentality". They could probably learn a whole lot more about life by examining the courage of the marathoners in your original post than they could from the rantings of a deceased sci-fi writer. Hope your friend finds his way out .

Thanks, Irish. Of course, we weren't really SUPPOSED to dream.(or admit to anyone that we did) That was supposedly a sign that one's spiritual trapdoor was ajar and debuhl spurts were poking their head in the door. I'm sure I'm not the only one who heard that taught in the Advanced Class. That was an insult you had to pretend did not apply to you. Just another control devise since even discussing it indicated you were tainted. Was that thinking prevalent in areas you lived in also? I think the reason we looked and acted like zombies is because we hardly ever got a proper night's sleep. <_< Well, that and the familia buzz that kept us functioning.

Pond Please don't misinterpret my "pasting" of a portion of your post(out of context) as anything aimed at you personally. It contains something I would like to address. It wouldn't matter who had posted it. GSC had nothing to do with my own exit from TWI. I physically walked away almost 20 years ago. I stressed the word physically because mentally I was really just a "member" who no longer attended fellowship. At least that's how I thought of myself. There is a certain degree of guilt one carries when they think(erroneously) that they are "tripped out", that they have left the "one true household". I did not know any details of VP's death. It was always an off limits topic in fellowships I attended. Likewise, I was completely in the dark about what happened with LCM. I had my suspicions about some of the sex stuff many years ago but thought it was isolated behavior. And don't forget, it was seen as a sign of weakness to even suggest that one had these doubts. Mostly I left because I had a lot of personal and family obligations vying for my time. This site has provided me with a valuable service in trying to make some sense out of what happened and continues to happen in my life. My hope for this site is that, if someone with a similar background as mine finds it, it will be as beneficial to them as it has been and continues to be to me. I'm not interested in proving anything in a court of law. I'm just interested in putting the pieces of the puzzle back together for my own understanding. Hope that makes some sense and has not strayed to far off the topic at hand.

Here's a funny story, danteh 1 A couple years ago I popped into a "Mom and Pop" kind of BBQ joint to pick up some carry-out for lunch. The gal who waited on me was a total stranger but her voice sounded just like the voice of someone I had known 15-20 years ago.(I don't remember names too well, but I never forget a voice.) I went in there several times again and each time we made small talk as I waited for my order. I marveled at how much she sounded like this person. One day, she said, "Hey!, are you "waysider"?"(Using my real name, of course.) Yep, you got it. It was , in fact, the same person. I never would have recognized her in a million years had she not spoken. Apparently, I wasn't all that recognizable either. Life is funny, though, ain't it?