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And yet there are those who are still enamored with his facade, despite all the revealing facts that have been brought to light, against all logic and reason.

We experimented with the "3 minute teaching" very briefly in Fellow Laborers. It was short lived. There were about 6 people in each of our night twigs and any one of us could be called on to give a short teaching. People where so danged tired at 10PM, after having been on the go since 5AM, they would either read for 3 minutes from Ephesians, because "Dr." had said you could study it for a lifetime and never master it, or crack open "The Blue Book" because "Dr." had written it. Who could argue you weren't following directions? When I took acting classes, many years ago, we were taught that an actor should always have a 2 minute and a 5 minute presentation that could be given at a moments notice. Having a short teaching always ready is, in itself, not a bad concept. But, like so many other things in TWI, it morphed into something that was inordinately applied creepy! Funny, isn't it, how in the PFAL class he taught we should not put much stock in what he said as a man, conveniently circumvented that rule by giving us his own interpretation and then quipped "I didn't write The Book!" He was, without a doubt, the focal point of the whole operation. There are some people who still adhere to that line of thinking. They have my sympathy.

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Maybe that's because this isn't a thread about CES. Of course, someone could conceivably start such a thread in the CES sub-forum if they so desired. Here is the original "tongue in cheek" question that was presented in the opening post. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why is it, do you suppose, that God told Wierwille to assemble materials that were Biblically inaccurate(such as the work on "4 crucified", which appears in the original PFAL class as well as the original PFAL book, along with "the cry of triumph"(from the original collaterals) as well as many other examples that have been examined here on GSC? I mean, I can understand why God would tell VP to steal, since the 10 commandments don't apply to us today(based on what was taught in the original PFAL book and class); but why would He instruct Wierwille to utilize materials that were not accurate, in an effort to make people more knowledgeable than anyone had been for 2,000 years? Doesn't that seem a bit ironic? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Little Walter has been inducted into The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

To the girls in Frisco To the girls in New York To the girls in Texarcan You gotta understand That, baby, I'm your man.

Another Brick in the Wall

Sheep---------Pink Floyd

I wonder if they'll sing this one at the fire circle during a nite-owl.Down In Mississippi

Is there an analogy in there somewhere?

Well, you really shouldn't. There was nothing "wrong" with what you said. (IMO)

Hi, rascal The first part of Neo's post is actually a quote from post # 1. (It's from the post, by Nathan, that began this whole thread.) Then, Neo's comments begin with the hugs around Nathan. Just thought I would clarify that. :)

Now you're gettin' the "picture".

"The Standard of Toughnicity" Socks, You were truly fortunate to have known not one, but two men of such high caliber and moral character. Maybe there is something to that expression, "What you look at you become.", after all.

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I'm not sure I completely understand what you are saying. But------That does not mean I am disagreeing with you, either. It just means I have to give it some deeper thought. Hmmm. Now to try to download that album. I'll probably have to recruit some help from the "younger" generation around this house. I'm glad you are here, AJ. Your perspective is valuable.

Skyrider Your sports analogy hit home for me. I was never involved in sports, though, in high school, the coaches were constantly chasing me to join the wrestling team. ( It was difficult to find recruits in my weight class.) I was, however, involved in theatre. I even worked with some professional companies. Wouldn't you know it, though. They actually expected me to have more talent than gumption. Go figure. Anyhow, it's pretty much understood by professional actors that they are at the directors beck and call when they are on stage. During rehearsals, the director will belittle you, insult you, scream at you and find any little fault there is to find. WHEN YOU ARE ON STAGE DOING YOUR JOB!!! As an actor, you have to learn rather quickly that the director is not criticizing you as an individual, he or she is criticizing your performance. You have to learn to not take it personally because it truly is not. It's part of how the whole process works. Once you are off stage and not in rehearsal, the director has absolutely no right to behave like they did in rehearsal or criticize you as a person. And they don't.(If they want to continue directing.) Most directors come from an acting background and know when they are about to "cross the line". In The Way, though, the "directors" seemed to think that every waking minute was a rehearsal and that gave them a right to freely criticize at will. Maybe they were simply taking The Bard out of context and privately interpreting him when he said," All the World's a stage."

Oh,My!!! You really should have paid better attention in the PLAF class! I think that might have been session #5, the one that instructs us to "Get The Administrations Properly Divided". Hmmm! Might even be somewhere in the orange book. Or was it the green book? Well, it was in ONE of the collaterals, and they're all "God Breathed", dontcha know?

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I'm bumping this one back up to see if there is any interest in discussing it.

Hi, AJ I think I see what you mean. For sure, it's not healthy to carry around resentment and ill-will. It has a detrimental effect both mentally and physically, not to mention, emotionally. The thing is, some people like to equate forgiveness with ignoring obvious injustices. (kinda like looking the other way.) It's like the guy who beats his wife one night and the next morning expects her to forget it ever happened and forgive him. He says he's gonna change. Things will be different. He's so sorry he acted that way. She considers what he says and takes him back. Maybe she even says she forgives him. Then one day, out of the blue, WHAM! He's right back into his abusive behavior. Sometimes what people confuse as a request for forgiveness, is really a request to excuse(even dismiss) behavior that is inexcusable.

I wonder if Harold Hill (The Music Man) was concerned about his offspring continuing on in his quest to bring music to the masses.

Ya know Here's the thing that I don't "get". God told Dr. Wierwille to assemble the works of other people in a way that they hadn't been assembled for two millennium. Of course, he very frequently neglected to cite his sources even though he admitted the work was not his own. Now, some people might argue that to be plagiarism, which is a form of stealing. But stealing is part of the Ten Commandments and we are not obligated to adhere to them because we live in the "age of grace" (I learned that in PFAL.). So we'll put that on the back burner for now. Now, I don't mean to discredit the works of Bullinger or Stiles or Kenyon or E.S. Jones or B.G. Leonard or any of these people. After all, they all had some really cool stuff they brought to the party. Heck, I'll bet some of it even came straight from God Almighty! Well, OK, I have rambled enough. Here's the source of my puzzlement. How come God gave Dr. Wierwille revelation to use the inaccurate stuff these guys did when he could have just as easily given revelation to use the "right on" stuff? What do you think, Mike? Nobody knows the fine points of PFAL better than you. So, Mike, how come God told Dr. Wierwille to use the stuff that is inaccurate in favor of the stuff that is "right on"? I'm looking forward to your straightforward explanation of this seemingly simple question. If anybody knows the score on this, it would have to be you.

From the man who was once the little boy who scurried tirelessly to and fro on his "big wheel" as the big people huddled tightly together to receive a proclamation from on high, comes this thought on prophesy. http://www.thewritingmachine.net/archives/...nts_to_li_1.php

You are making PERFECT sense, Dot. (Hope you don't mind my bolding that part of your post.) It's not you that makes no sense, it's the so-called law of believing.(IMO) I, too, remember this being taught. The Way taught that we had to believe for our children until they reach the "age of accountability". Generally speaking, in many cultures, a child has reached an "age of accountability" at twelve. This is the age at which they arbitrarily have the ability to decide whether to accept their given "faith" or reject it. Thus, it is also the age that they can be held "accountable" for their transgressions. Please note that this is not a Biblical concept, but, rather, a cultural concept. The "age of accountability" is not found in the Bible to the best of my knowledge. The Way further taught that, until a child reached he "age of accountability", their well-being was looked after by "Guardian Angels". A child was entitled to this protection if either one of his/her parents was a "believer". In addition, a child that died before the "age of accountability" but had at least one "believer" parent, would share in the inheritance of Christ. This type of thinking is cultural, not Biblical in nature. The example of the little boy dying because of his mother's negative "believing" is a horrendous mishandling of God's word and a grotesque misrepresentation of God's will.