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Page 3/ PLAF silly-bus (1968 edition) This is not a TVT as you call it. It's written in black and white. "What you fear, you will receive- it is a law" That's poison, Mike. The whole "law of believing" concept is flawed and inaccurate. It's poison. It's never called a "law" in God's Word. But most importantly, in relation to your emphasis on TVT's, it's not a TVT, it's written in the class materials in several places and in various forms. Do you personally know of anyone who suffered serious or even fatal consequences because they ignored good sense and followed this doctrine instead? Well I do and I'm sure there are countless others. Now follow me on how this logic unfolds, Mike. You have stated that it is your belief that the written materials were given by revelation. Yet, from even this one simple example, we can see that the written class material contradicts God's Word. And isn't there a place in The Bible where it is stated that if a man thinks he is a prophet and has his prophesy proven false, even so much as one time, we are not to pay attention to him or his prophesies? And there's more poison, Mike. How about session #7 where we are taught that if we even consider alternative concepts, we will fall victim to the same fate as Eve who considered what the serpent said? That's the granddaddy of all poisons.Once that poison takes hold, the other poisons are free to run unchecked, laughing in the face of antidotes. Did you know that in Christian Family and Sex, Dr. taught that the original sin was not that she listened to the Devil but that she and Adam masturbated and consumed the results? So here again, Mike, VPW's "revelation" fails the litmus test of proving to be consistent. Your contention is that the problem is in TVT's. I have shown you that there are problems with the written material as well. Selah!-------That's from God's Word. One translation indicates it means -----"Consider what I say". (and I didn't write the book, either.)

Is that the message, Mike?

Why do you ask?

So what are you saying, Mike? It got left out of the orange book? Why do you suppose that is?

I must confess, I had no idea he was so skilled on the trumpet. His attack is "dead on confident" in a way that mimics Satchmo. Great tone. Very meaty. I love his use of end shakes. This particular style of jazz is rapidly disappearing from the scene. Such an unfortunate loss.

There's a light, a certain kind of light, that never shone on me.

HaHaHaHa!I'm just teasing you.That would be Good Day Sunshine by those mop headed kids from Liverpool.

In a strange sort of way, this stuff kinda tickles my funny-bone. I remember our first year in FLO, the mens coordinator gave us a sermon of sorts on the wastefulness of sleep. He went on to actually state that if a person could speak in tongues enough, said person could eliminate the need for sleep altogether. I think he cited that stuff from PLAF about SIT being rest to the soul or something. Shortly thereafter, maybe even the next morning, he failed to appear for morning fellowship. I think we all just sat there in silence on that cold floor until it was time for our morning run. That night or next morning we got blasted for not taking the bull by the horns and running the meeting without him. Then, when it happened again, someone awakened him and we got blasted again for waking him. That might not be exactly accurate but that's the essence of it. Most likely, folks who are reading this don't realize that we were required to work secular jobs (minimum 40 hours) in addition to all the FLO required work. Some of the people worked in a steel foundry that was hotter than blazes even in the dead of winter. Others worked in a stove factory that averaged 4 to 5 squad runs per week due to serious safety infractions. If you wanted to work somewhere other than those two places, you pretty much had to drive into the city which was about 20 miles away, which is what I did. There was virtually zero down-time other than that 5 hour stretch at night. And that was sometimes eliminated if the house leader decided there was an urgent need to clean the house from top to bottom or the limb leader decided he needed us to work all night to lay sod around a fire circle in the middle of nowhere. Sneaking a nap was virtually impossible. And to make matters worse, our meals were highly inadequate in caloric intake for the pace we were required to maintain. Though I must say, Mr. Garden did an admirable job of making sure "the garden" yielded produce at it's maximum potential. And, oh yeah, "no talking after midnight"------as if anyone was still awake at 12:01!!

Hello, OCW I think I understand how you feel. I wouldn't be too concerned about saving the World from TWI, though. Even at their peak, TWI wasn't even a blip on the radar. Yeah, we talked all lofty about moving "The Word Over The World" and all that. But in the end, all we really did was recruit a few hapless souls to be a part of our little corner of the World. We were salesmen. We sold a class that made promises it couldn't keep. I don't think anyone is going to beat a path to your door looking for a way to get involved with TWI. And if they do, pretend there's no one home.

You listened to The Who in grade school??? Man, I really AM getting old. We still had stuff like How Much Is That Doggy in the Window?

Golly! Why didn't he "just reach up in Daddy's cookie jar" for the answer?

Well, you see, Oldies, this observation demonstrates that you have not quite grasped the essence of the term "mind control". What you are describing would commonly be referred to as "physical restraint". During times of war, POW's are "physically restrained" because that is the course of action that suits the purposes of their captors . They, the captors, have to physically restrain them, the captives, because they, the captors, can't control the captives thoughts(minds) and thus, their desire to escape. But, if time permits, the captors feed the captives propaganda that is designed to win the captors over to their way of thinking. Once they succeed at this, no chains or guns or locks are necessary because they don't realize they have been "reprogrammed" to think that their actions stem from free will. Yes, many who had transportation and financial resources(and not all did) could have physically walked away from TWI. But why walk away from captivity if you don't first realize you are a captive? Some, sadly, are still not aware that they exhibit behavior that stems from "thought replacement processes" they were subjected to.

Mike Where can I find this information in "the orange book"? I mean, if it's not in there, how can I trust that it's accurate? After all, God surely wouldn't give VPW revelation, the likes of which the world hasn't known for 2,000 years, and leave this stuff out, right?

I hate to rain on anyone's parade, but here's what it says in my PLAF syllabus. Page 1/ 1968 edition --------------------------------------------------------------------- TO RECEIVE ANYTHING FROM GOD WE MUST KNOW: 1. What is Available (various scriptures cited) 2. How to Receive 3. What to do with it after we have it 4. Need and Want must be parallel (various scriptures cited) 5.God's Ability equals God's Willingness (various scriptures cited) ------------------------------------------------------------------ There's no mention of steps #4 and 5 being optional in the event that steps #1--3 aren't cutting the mustard. It says that this is what one MUST know to receive anything from God. It lists 5 criteria that MUST be met to receive anything from God. What's so "complicated"? Either it says that or it doesn't.

Thanks, Dooj I read that article by Zigler. It sounds just like the concept of the little boy. It's "mumbo-jumbo". In the least common denominator, it is really talking about unwarranted fears. That's why it is referred to as being false. Trying to apply this kind of thinking to tangible dangers is foolishness. I read some of Zigler's materials years ago. If I recall correctly, they are designed to be used as motivational tools for sales people,.

Oh my!That is, indeed, sad news.So young and so very talented.Didn't Polar Bear's wife share a stage with him recently?Not that it matters ---So sorry to hear this.

I think that, perhaps, the obsession with speaking in tongues "much" in your mind was a part of it also. You have to turn off your critical thinking while you are doing it. Of course, that's not always a bad thing. One could use the technique to refocus and refresh provided they were cognizant that this was the desired end. (similar to a TM mantra.)

This is from esermons.com When I think of making sacrifices I think of E. Stanley Jones, perhaps United Methodism’s most famous foreign missionary. He authored over a dozen books and converted hundreds of Hindus in India to Christianity. He is the only person of which I am aware who was voted in abstentia to become a bishop. When he received the news, he turned it down. One day E. Stanley Jones came to Emory University and spoke to a Systematic Theology class. One of the students asked him why he turned down the episcopacy. He laughingly replied that if he became a bishop he would have to retire at age 70. "I am now 82," he said, "and I am still going strong." Then someone asked him: what do you think of the Beatitudes? Several students picked up their pens expecting something profound and they got it. Here's what he said: "At first sight, you felt they turned everything upside down. At second sight, you understand that they turn everything right side up. The first time you read them they are impossible. The second time you read them, nothing else is possible. The beatitudes are not a chart for Christian duty. They are a charter for Christian liberty.” Does that phrase sound familiar? I have seen that also but can't remember where either.

And let's not forget Digger O'Dell. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Life_of_Riley "Living the life of Riley" suggests an ideal life of prosperity and contentment, possibly living on someone else's money, time or work. Rather than a negative freeloading or golddigging aspect, it instead implies that someone is kept or advantaged.

You are correct, sir! Actually, it predates Cannibal and the Head Hunters, but they are the ones who put in that "na na na na" part that has become an essential part of the tune. Wilson Picket is the one who made it a big hit. Rock On!!

Couldn't find any banjos but I found this.

Ok Here's an easier one. -------------------------------------------------- You gotta know how to pony Like Bony Maronie Mash potatah Do the alligatah

Speaking of stories, there is one that Herr Doktor tells in CF&S. It seems a young lady came to him distraught that her breasts had developed unequally. In her mind, she thought she looked deformed. He counseled her in private, examined her breasts and assured her she was "beautiful". (Or did he say "gorgeous"?) And ya know, somehow I believe that particular stowree is true.

Which version do you prefer, Mike, the version with the red drapes or the one without?