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Shhhhh! No one else knows!

You either agreed with it all or you hit the highway. Of course, the devil will probably destroy you if you do but it's your choice.

Be careful, Phil Many a wise and wary person has been lured into their deceptive snare. The lifestyle they promote is perhaps even more destructive than their interpretation of The Bible. One of their core beliefs is that you can physically change things in the real world(both good and bad) by a mental process called "the law of believing". Woe unto the person who fails to operate it "properly". There is an audio on the homepage that may give you some idea what it is about. edited to note that there is a chat room here also.

Welcome, Phil Where to start? You might try the main menu and click on some of the links or listen to episode #8. That's as good a place as any I guess.

In regard to color deficiencies, commonly called color blindness, elephants are what are known as deuteranopes. So, if you give it a brush with green paint or a brush with orange paint, it could not distinguish between the two. http://colorvisiontesting.com/color2.htm I go through this with a co-worker who can't tell yellow from orange, even the most extreme examples. I am forever hounding him to----- READ THE PART NUMBERS!! Just though I would mention that.

What is ain't exactly clear. For What It's Worth--------Buffalo Springfield. OOPS! Out of time. Somebody want my turn?

This stuff has been around "forever and a day". You could spend the rest of your life just trying to sort through all the information on the internet that pertains to this. Planet X is just another way of saying "the unknown planet". Neptune was once considered Planet X, so was Pluto. Now, the Nibiru aspect is a whole other ball of wax. It's been around in one variation or another as long as I recall. One variation of it was quite popular in the 1950's but I don't recall the details. It's very likely there is a "Planet X". We are forever making new discoveries. But is the Legend of Nibiru real? I don't know. Maybe I'll ask Santa Clause if he has any insider info before he scurries back up the chimney next Christmas.

Ya gotta do what ya gotta do! BUT I cast my vote to keep him. But get a picture that is a "close up".

When I was a kid, there were a lot of people in my neighborhood who had survived traumatic experiences in WWII. (Combat, POW, concentration camps) Some of them were what we used to call "shell shocked". One particular guy who lived in the house behind ours was a seemingly normal kind of guy. He wasn't a zombie-like person or anything of the sort. You could be having a normal conversation with him when, unexpectedly, a car would back-fire or there would be some other noise that sounded vaguely like artillery. He would turn white as a ghost, start to sweat, and lose his focus completely. You could just tell his heart was racing a mile a minute. There was something in his psyche that lurked just below the surface waiting to emerge. I think it's kinda like that for some of us, though usually not so extreme. There's always that ticking time bomb waiting to send us into spontaneous anxiety. (ie:The boss says something or does something that brings back an unpleasantness from TWI and anxiety is instantaneous.) Perhaps some counselors don't pick up on it because pushing buttons is something they would inherently avoid. Just a thought I could be wrong.

Thanks, Pond I wouldn't have a clue what her number is. I haven't seen or talked to her since 1981. I like your new avatar but it needs to be zoomed in a bit more. OK---Sorry, I'll get off here so the thread can get back to topic.

Well, you see, Mike, as the old ladies realized, no one would willingly consume pure arsenic. That's why they "laced" it. Now, you tell me. Which parts were the "arsenic" and which parts were the "lace"? edited for punctuation.

Mike In all the time I have been posting here, I have never put anyone on "ignore". (Though I have joked about it from time to time.) I'm not trying to bully you into anything. Believe whatever floats your boat. I know what's inside the books, Mike, and it's a steady diet of arsenic. But, like the two dear old ladies in Arsenic and Old Lace, the person who administered it laced it with something to make it more palatable.

It happened in 1972, long before "this drift got worse and worse". Let me state this as straightforwardly as I can, Mike. This doctrine you tout and openly promote has caused countless people irreparable damage and grief. Some have even paid for it with their lives. If you wish to continue to believe it has real value, that's your choice. "Opening the books up FRESH and a LOT" may work for you but I would suggest you take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror and think about the damage this crap has caused when you continue to promote it. I plan on visiting his grave next month. Shall I lay a flower on it in your honor?

Here's the original Piece Of My Heart.

Who is deciding whether it's "God Breathed"? You or the Library Of Congress? I have to assume that since the PLAF book is in English and you are convinced, beyond all reasonably logical evidence to the contrary, that it is "God breathed, you are referring to "the orange book". Oh, by the way, I checked and discovered that the erroneous "law" of believing is, indeed, presented in the "printed part". And wouldn't you just know it? It's in the written PLAF materials. Hey, Mike, a friend of mine died as a result of what's contained in those classes. Does it bother you that you continue to promote something that has contributed to deaths? Just thought I would ask.

Kinda sounds like being "a little bit" pregnant.

I had a great aunt who was 100% Indian/Native American, born on the REZ in the 1800's She was not a blood relative, though. She married my great uncle who was a blood relative. As an infant, she was orphaned by a natural catastrophe and raised by white folks. When I was a kid, she made me a beautiful black and white quilt. I kept it for a long time and stored it in a cedar chest. When I got divorced in 1981, my ex-wife took the chest, not realizing the quilt was inside. I never saw her or the quilt again. OK,OK,OK---- I know that's off-topic. But what the heck, if she posts here and reads this, maybe I'll get my dad-gum quilt back!!

So then you agree that the "law" of believing was part of the "printed part"?

I must confess; I googled it. WOW!! Perfect choice for this forum.

Was the "law" of believing ever taught in the "printed part"?

Personally, I have no problem with people believing whatever it is they choose to believe. Construct a shrine to The Great Purple Horned Toad in your backyard if it makes you happy. That's religious freedom. On the other hand, intentionally promoting and recruiting others to a set of doctrines that have been clearly demonstrated to be harmful is an abomination. Sure, we all promoted PLAF, but we didn't know then what we know now. Trying to live by the so-called "law" of believing has caused so much pain in this world it is impossible to measure. People have lost homes, careers, family and friends, trying to follow this nonsense. I personally knew someone who lost his life because he believed a PLAF grad was telling him the truth while all they were really doing was regurgitating Way drivel. People have lost loved ones and made to feel guilty because "it must have been caused by their negative believing". Again, I have more than one very personal experience with this very thing. People have been crippled for life because they were supposed to over-ride the dangers of LEAD and Rodeo School by using the "law" of believing. Some lost their lives. The damages are very real. It's not about someone believing differently than you do. It's about actively promoting a school of thought that is toxic to those who try to pattern their lives after it. Of course, someone will probably say, "The truth sets you free" or something along those lines. The problem is that this junk is NOT "The Truth", it's man made gobble- de- gook and it's poisonous. Why would anyone want to knowingly feed people a slow diet of arsenic? edited to add: I apologize to anyone who may have suffered harm via my promotion of The Way and PFAL.

Jeff I truly hope you don't take any of this personally. It's like a rude slap in the face when you first find out. (Or at least it was for me.)

Wierwille borrowed heavily from E. Stanley Jones. Perhaps not always word for word but certainly in a conceptual sense. Even the phrase "Fear is sand in the machinery of life" is a well known quotation that was originated by Jones. Look closely at the titles of some of Jone's writings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Stanley_Jones The Way Corps and Fellow Laborer programs were a bastardization of the ashrams of India. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashram They were, in fact, a perverted version of the concept known as intentional communities or as they once were called---communes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_community edited to add: After having spent three years in a Way "commune", the parallels become quite easy to spot.

You Rock, Paw!! My grandson Cletus(that's his name.) told me that would be a good thing to post here.

. : ******* “Lots of the stuff I teach is not original. Putting it all together so that it fit -- that was the original work. I learned fudged wherever I could, and then I worked twisted that with the Scriptures. What was right on with the Scriptures my private interpretation, I kept; but what wasn't, I dropped -- and failed to give proper citing. Victor Paul Wierwille, 1972 The Way Living In Love Elena Whiteside page 209 The previous statement by VP disproves that he “passed it off as his own.” In 1972 he said it wasn't original; ... if you don't believe he said that, there it is, right before your eyes. (Along with the failure to cite sources.) There were good reasons to tolerate much, because we had a treasure in God's Word, we just forgot where it was (and thought it was in the collaterals.)