waysider

I plan to visit the grave of a friend of mine sometime in the near future. If I had to choose only two words to describe him, "selfish and narcissistic" would definitely not be the two I would choose. I personally find it offensive that someone who never even met him can be so certain they know what happened. edit I'm curious to know what credentials qualify Dennis Prager to offer a definitive answer for such a complex issue.

One more to make you feel good.

I was feelin' so bad, I asked my family doctor just what i had.

Hofmann has died. http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/l30121760-swiss-hofmann/

All Along The Watchtower-----Bob Dylan

You're probably right But I still can't help thinking that he found some sort of perverted pleasure when he discovered that he could make people think Gary's death was linked to a special power he supposedly wielded.

Actually, I think it's "My flag boy / your flag boy---"(The flag boy is a member of a tribe's procession at Mardi Gras.)

And you know, this happened 11 years before he chugged his last Drambuie. Did he change his behavior after this incident? Of course not. By all accounts he intensified his perversions. Maybe it gave him some kind of twisted pleasure to know he contributed to someone's death.

I remember hearing about Gary's death when I was in Fellow laborers. The story we got was that wierwille had gotten revelation that no one should leave HQ that particular day. Supposedly the revelation he got was that whoever left would die and that is why he gave the order for no one to leave. Did he ever give such an order? I don't know. That's not the point. The point is that we (there were 49 or 50 of us) were specifically told that to disobey the orders of a MOG could very well bring us the same consequences. So, yes, we were told that disobedience to a MOG(and I'm pretty certain quiting the Corps or TWI would fall into that category by their definition.) was unacceptable. And you know, it never really occurred to me until this moment that this contradicts the Advanced Class session where it is taught that revelation is never given unless there is ultimate profit from it. In fact, the example given in the AC is of someone getting revelation that a certain airplane flight is going to crash. Wierwille said God would not give such revelation unless the person subsequently used the information to stop the flight. Airplane crash, car wreck-----What's the difference? He didn't stop it so his so called revelation was bogus by his own definition.(Which of course he got from someone else anyway.) Wasn't there another such story that wierwille got revelation someone would drown in the duck pond if a fence wasn't put around it? The guy was a mental case, not a MOG!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nitgmAInI18

There were people whose deaths were exploited as a vehicle to illustrate what could and/or would happen if you dared to leave the safety of the household. I'm quite sure there are many here who could cite examples of this very practice. You have no way of knowing, Oldies, who believed this or to what extent. When you say people did not believe it, you are merely offering a speculative opinion.

Apparently you must have lived a sheltered life. What exactly does the term "grease spot by Midnight" mean to you?

I'm Lazy, That's All.

Hmmmmm! Is that Just Dropped In To See What Condition My Condition Was In.------? (First Edition with Kenny Rogers)---------?

Oh for goodness sake, people. This is serious stuff. How are we ever gonna put a class together if we keep having fun?

It's just some silly stuff that happened 30+ years ago.

I am done "running with the cows". That's it. Kapoot. No more. Ain't gonna "run to the tree and back" and you can't make me! No more Pumas, Brooks, sweat suits or anything else Phhhtttt! And maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but I think WG and another FLO here "ain't gonna run no more" with me . HA!! Put that in your sprout jar and rinse it!

By Jove!! I think you've got it!!

Well, gosh darn it! Maybe they didn't actually "belong" to him but he was entitled to them because he was the Man Of Gawd For Our Day And Time, dontcha know? Darn right there's no comparison. Henry VIII was merely the King Of England whereas VeePee was King of The Whole Stinkin' World!!!

Here is an example of the types of things you will find in that particular session: (Page 33/PFAL syllabus) Natural Knowledge Five senses can see the results and manifestation of Designer, but not the Designer. 1. Natural knowledge cannot find God so natural man cannot believe in God. "Pure reason" leads to the highest science of the five senses which is philosophy; there speculation sets in which leads to theories, defeat and destruction. --------and that's just one little paragraph out of a 36 hour long emotionally charged class. <_<

Hello, Brushstroke I agree that it can be enlightening and beneficial to consider a variety of viewpoints on any given subject. One problem you will encounter with Way followers, though, is that they are specifically taught that doing so will ultimately lead to their failure. This comes from a session of the PFAL class titled Body, Soul and Spirit . (session #7) It was taught in this session that there were five steps that led to Eve's downfall. The first, and most critical of these steps, was that she let her guard down by considering what the serpent was saying. Trying to discuss alternate meanings with a wayfer is like trying to send spam to someone who has a state of the art firewall. If you can get past the firewall you might at least stand a chance of having them consider what you are proposing. Even today, decades later, there are people who are afraid to let go of this harmful conditioning.

Just a quick thought here. Maybe you should consider renting something for a day to see if it's the type of equipment you need. Better yet, if this is just a once or twice a year task, you may want to go that route permanently.

Quite a bit of what was "taught" in TWI was done so by virtue of OJT (On The Job Training). Just because something does not appear in a book or tape or magazine or class, does not negate the reality that it was taught. The proof that these things were "taught" is manifest in the finished product of the workman just as the finished product of a bricklayer is evidence of the OJT the workman received. It has long been my belief that a large amount of the damages caused by TWI came more from the lifestyle we led than from the various academic doctrines such as 4 crucified, etc. To catagorize these lessons as being Non-TWI is an incorrect and unrealistically minimizing assessment of their effects. OJT played a major role in the believer's "education" once he or she submitted themselves to a program such as The Corps or Fellow Laborers.