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Was the "law" of believing ever taught in the "printed part"?

Personally, I have no problem with people believing whatever it is they choose to believe. Construct a shrine to The Great Purple Horned Toad in your backyard if it makes you happy. That's religious freedom. On the other hand, intentionally promoting and recruiting others to a set of doctrines that have been clearly demonstrated to be harmful is an abomination. Sure, we all promoted PLAF, but we didn't know then what we know now. Trying to live by the so-called "law" of believing has caused so much pain in this world it is impossible to measure. People have lost homes, careers, family and friends, trying to follow this nonsense. I personally knew someone who lost his life because he believed a PLAF grad was telling him the truth while all they were really doing was regurgitating Way drivel. People have lost loved ones and made to feel guilty because "it must have been caused by their negative believing". Again, I have more than one very personal experience with this very thing. People have been crippled for life because they were supposed to over-ride the dangers of LEAD and Rodeo School by using the "law" of believing. Some lost their lives. The damages are very real. It's not about someone believing differently than you do. It's about actively promoting a school of thought that is toxic to those who try to pattern their lives after it. Of course, someone will probably say, "The truth sets you free" or something along those lines. The problem is that this junk is NOT "The Truth", it's man made gobble- de- gook and it's poisonous. Why would anyone want to knowingly feed people a slow diet of arsenic? edited to add: I apologize to anyone who may have suffered harm via my promotion of The Way and PFAL.

Jeff I truly hope you don't take any of this personally. It's like a rude slap in the face when you first find out. (Or at least it was for me.)

Wierwille borrowed heavily from E. Stanley Jones. Perhaps not always word for word but certainly in a conceptual sense. Even the phrase "Fear is sand in the machinery of life" is a well known quotation that was originated by Jones. Look closely at the titles of some of Jone's writings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Stanley_Jones The Way Corps and Fellow Laborer programs were a bastardization of the ashrams of India. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashram They were, in fact, a perverted version of the concept known as intentional communities or as they once were called---communes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_community edited to add: After having spent three years in a Way "commune", the parallels become quite easy to spot.

You Rock, Paw!! My grandson Cletus(that's his name.) told me that would be a good thing to post here.

. : ******* “Lots of the stuff I teach is not original. Putting it all together so that it fit -- that was the original work. I learned fudged wherever I could, and then I worked twisted that with the Scriptures. What was right on with the Scriptures my private interpretation, I kept; but what wasn't, I dropped -- and failed to give proper citing. Victor Paul Wierwille, 1972 The Way Living In Love Elena Whiteside page 209 The previous statement by VP disproves that he “passed it off as his own.” In 1972 he said it wasn't original; ... if you don't believe he said that, there it is, right before your eyes. (Along with the failure to cite sources.) There were good reasons to tolerate much, because we had a treasure in God's Word, we just forgot where it was (and thought it was in the collaterals.)

Oh, well PARDON me!!!!

Hi there, WG I'm trying to understand something here. Were you Susie Peon Believer or were you Barbara Susie Peon Believer? HeeHeeHee! Just funnin' with ya. I'm sure nobody here has any idea what the heck that's all about. Now say "Good Night", Short Stuff!!

That's a good point, Krys. Lots of beneficial developments came of the space program, as well, that no one could have ever foreseen. http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html

Kinda reminds me of the guy who thought he would have a bit of fun with the stock boy at the local grocery. "Young man, can you tell me where I might find the rooster eggs?" "Yes, sir", he replied, "They're one aisle over from the bull's milk."

My sister-in-law, who has several cats and LARGE dogs, got leather furniture a few years ago. Ironically, the cats did minimal damage but the dogs completely trashed it with their toe nails as they climbed up. I suppose their weight may have been a big factor. The cats probably would have trashed it too, though, if the dogs hadn't beat them to the punch. Also, my sister-in-law keeps all her animals properly groomed so it wasn't because the nails had grown too long.

Jeff When a writer "borrows" something from another writer and deceitfully claims it to be his own, that is what most people would call plagiarism. It's not only unethical, it's illegal. When a writer "borrows" the works of another writer and claims it was given to him by divine revelation, or if said writer assembles works of several other writers and claims it was God who told him to assemble them in a prescribed manner, that's a spiritual travesty. When a writer willfully does the things I listed in paragraph two and uses those works to sate his own lustful and deviant desires, it's a travesty of epic proportions. BTW-- Thank you for putting forth the effort that it takes for you to post here. I know it is not easy using the computers at the public library.

Mike Have you ever sat down with a trained professional and discussed the possibility that you are suffering from a "delusional disorder"? I'm asking that question in all earnest. There is no malice intended.

"Rock and Roll has got to go!!"

That's a mighty powerful analogy, jeast. (The elephant and chain) Virginia Mae sounds like someone we all would be honored to know.

Hiya, Mike I haven't cracked open the cover of The Little Engine That Could for more than 50 years! I think I still have a pretty good idea whats in it. BTW--- I think that book was adapted from another one called The Pony Engine. Just thought I'd mention that.

This one is surreal!!!

That's cool stuff, jeast. Is that something you wrote?

Ya know One of the reasons I went into Fellow Laborers is because we were supposed to spend two years studying The Book Of Acts and then return to our hometowns, as better equipped leaders, to handle God's Word. But I gotta tell ya, I don't really know squat about The Book Of Acts. That might just be one of my biggest disappointments in how the program evolved. But, hey-------I'm just sayin'

I don't buy much through Amazon but my wife and son do. (Lots of books) They both have their own computers ,so how do I do this to insure proper credit is given? If it involves using my computer to do so, let me know and that's what we'll do.

Speak English, Mike It seems to be the most commonly used language on this site.

Here ya go!

Here's the "wiki" on Venn Diagrams. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram Here's the "wiki" on Boolean Logic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_logic Would you be so kind as to show me how this demonstrates that "all without exception" is somehow different from "all without distinction"? (What with me not being a computer engineer or mathematician, ya know?)

Here's the answer. Free post, anyone?