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A friend of mine became acutely ill with a very serious disease. Rather than seek the medical treatment he desperately needed he tried to "believe" his way back to health. He died. Then he was blamed for his own death because he shouldn't have "freaked out". There are thousands of such records here on GSC. It's a dangerous kind of fire to play with and it really is not Biblical in origin. You simply can't change reality by thinking about it, visualizing it, or trying to speak it into an altered state.

We can correctly identify pizza because we (most of us) have had verifiable previous experiences sampling pizza.

Perhaps they found their inspiration here: Norman Wexler Biography (1926-1999) Born August 6, 1926, in New Bedford, MA; raised in Detroit, MI; died after aheart attack, August 23, 1999, in Washington, DC; son of Harry and Sophia (Brisson) Wexler; children: Erica, Merin. Career: Writer. Cleveland Playhouse, Cleveland, OH, playwright-in-residence, 1970. Also worked in advertising. Member: Writers Guild of America West. Awards, Honors: Academy Award nomination, best writing, story and screenplay based on factual material or material not previously published or produced, 1970, for Joe;National Endowment for the Arts grant, 1970; Cleveland Playhouse Award, c. 1970, for Red's My Color, What's Yours? A Play without Love; Writers Guild of America Award, best drama adapted from another medium, AcademyAward nomination, best writing, screenplay based on material from another medium, and Edgar Allan Poe Award nomination, best motion picture, all with Waldo Salt, all 1973, for Serpico; Image Award, National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, c. 1975, for Mandingo; Writers Guildof America Award, best drama, 1978, for Saturday Night Fever; National Science Foundation grant.

http://www.paulnoll.com/Books/Clear-Englis...ate-advice.html Debate Rules and Suggestions Advice on Debating with Others 1. Avoid the use of Never. 2. Avoid the use of Always. 3. Refrain from saying you are wrong. 4. You can say your idea is mistaken. 5. Don't disagree with obvious truths. 6. Attack the idea not the person. 7. Use many rather than most. 8. Avoid exaggeration. 9. Use some rather than many. 10. The use of often allows for exceptions. 11. The use of generally allows for exceptions. 12. Quote sources and numbers. 13. If it is just an opinion, admit it. 14. Do not present opinion as facts. 15. Smile when disagreeing. 16. Stress the positive. 17. You do not need to win every battle to win the war. 18. Concede minor or trivial points. 19. Avoid bickering, quarreling, and wrangling. 20. Watch your tone of voice. 21. Don't win a debate and lose a friend. 22. Keep your perspective - You're just debating. You need to be very polite when disagreeing with someone in English, even someone you know quite well. With someone you know very well, you can disagree more directly.

I wasn't the one who presented them as "proof". I believe that puts the onus on you.

QUOTE(WhiteDove @ Jun 23 2008, 12:14 PM) * It has been proven in studies that such sharing's (positive experiences) help victims, in recovery as they are inspiring. [Bolded words added for clarification] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Would it be too forward of me to ask for a sampling of these "studies"?

There was a mean man from "the corn field" Whose family was not very well-heeled He preached to tree stumps Saw snow on gas pumps That mean,mean old man from "the corn field".

Hi, Speck Excellent post!! Welcome to The Cafe.

And speaking of G.A.S. Check out the red and blue Harp King amps in the clip below and then click on the Harp-l link that follows http://harp-l.org/pipermail/harp-l/2008-June/msg00450.html

Here are the scripture references used in PLAF(The Wonder Class): Philippians 4:19, Matthew 18:19, John 14:13; 15:16, I john 5: 14 Personally, I think he got a good bit of the believing material from Norman Vincent Peale's The Power Of Positive Thinking. But, I really don't have the ambition right now to check and see if that's where the needs = wants portion originates. Here's a Wiki if you're interested. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Vincent_Peale

Wierwille taught that water baptism ended with Pentecost. ("For John baptized with water but ye shall be baptized in holy spirit".) And, yes, "holy spirit" is not capitalized when using Wierdwillian logic. According to VPW, the word "baptism" means "to be totally immersed". Since God, THE Holy Spirit(capital H, capital S) gives his gift of holy spirit (lower case) with the new birth, we have "Christ in us" which makes us "completely, completely complete". 'Nother words, we were totally immersed in the gift of holy spirit when we were born again. Wierwille went on to state that the indisputable evidence of the new birth is speaking in tongues. Speaking in tongues, according to Wierwille, is but one of nine "manifestations" that are available to anyone who is born again. The nine 'manifestations" are: Utterance 1. Speaking in tongues. (used as as substitute for prayer in ones private prayer life.) 2. Tongues with interpretation (used in group settings) 3. Prophesy (Forth telling but never foretelling) Revelation 1. Word of knowledge 2. Word of wisdom (what to do with word of knowledge) 3. Discerning of spirits (good and evil) Action 1. The manifestation of believing ( the ability to believe for the impossible) 2. Working of miracles 3. gifts of healings This is what he said replaced water baptism. BTW----Wierwille plagiarized this entire subject right down to the very words in the definitions that are given in greater detail in the Advanced Class and led us to believe it was given to him personally by revelation from God. Whew!!--That was probably more than you wanted to know.

Here's a good knock-knock joke, you start it.

Just wanted to add that I think SIT can be both real and fake. If a person is indulging in glossolalia and it is discernible with brainwave testing, then it is "real". And, there are some proven, marginal benefits to glossolalia in this category. If, on the other hand, they are consciously repeated memorized sounds, words, etc., the evidence would present itself in the brainwave testing, as well. I think "practice sessions" probably fall into the latter category. The question, though, is does it originate with God? The evidence would suggest it does not but you be the judge.

Would it be too forward of me to ask for a sampling of these "studies"?

Sounds like a case of "victim mentality" to me. :lol:

Here is the post(spun from the context of another thread in which it originated) that surreptitiously denigrates people who didn't question leadership and reprove their elders in the church but rather followed orders they were led to believe had Divine origin. Call it trolling, call it baiting, call it whatever you want. Where I come from we just call it pushing someone's buttons. It was (IMO) designed to elicit this sort of response.

So then name calling (ie: Washed up MOGS) is OK as long as it is thinly veiled in anonymity? (I say thinly because one need only examine the post it appears to reference to see whom is being deemed a "Washed up MOG".)

Are you serious? Did you actually read post #62? Here it is: Oldies said: This new "rule" did not exist for years, or at least it was not enforced.... but WhiteDove and I are recipients of its enforcement in the last few weeks; apparently one of our crimes is basically not being in alignment and harmony with the GS Mission. Some of our unsatisfactory statements (said respectfully BTW) are being censored out apparently being due to our contrary opinions notwithstanding. This is new in my GS posting experience. For years, contrary opinions were allowed. For years, I thought GS Cafe was a great place to freely express one's opinion, even mine contrary as it is, as long as it was done with respect. Due to my experience the last few weeks, I have seen that the free expression of ideas (posted respectfully) has been lost here.

WD Here is a summary of what I've gathered from your posts. It is your opinion that Kris has fabricated the contents of this book and that her motive is to sell books. Is that an accurate summation? Let me know if I've misunderstood. BTW---Who are the "Washed up MOGS"(sic) you referred to in your last post?(#66)

So what are you saying, Oldies, that you feel like some sort of "victim"? I'm sure there is no one "holding a gun to your head" and forcing you to post here. BTW---I don't recall anyone, other than yourself, calling your dissension a "crime"(sic).

Eric Steckel at 15 years old!!

OOPS! Sorry I thought it said The Incredibly STINKING Way.

You know, for a guy who seems to revel in exalting the virtues of PLAF, it surprises me you have forgotten the example of the fellow who said, "There is no God."

Arizona Perhaps you can clarify for me. Are you saying it is her own fault that she became one of VPW's victims?

Anyone can utter the words "God is Love", even the guy with a gun at your back demanding your wallet