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Send In The Clowns----Judy Collins

I can understand how long term exposure to UV can contribute to cancer but this is garden variety flashburn, for gosh sakes. And, it wasn't long term. It was for a couple weeks or so. I don't doubt that he may have experienced discomfort from corneal burns or even that his exposure might have accelerated potential cataract development, but cancer from a couple weeks in a film studio? I ain't buying it.

Exactly what was it they were doing that they called "standing in the gap"?

Ya see, I have this "friend" who has a problem--------

I've known a few welders in my time. I've even done a bit of welding and cutting myself, though I've probably done much more cutting than welding. Sometimes when you are welding, your mask doesn't drop into place quite quickly enough. When you are cutting, often times you forgo the mask altogether, especially if you happen to wear glasses that would deflect spatter. What can happens in these situations is that you get something called "flashburn". You don't feel it right away. In fact, you usually don't feel it until the day is over and you are home from work. But, when it kicks in, it is very painful. A simple trick an old welder taught me is to cut slices of raw potatoes and put them on your closed eyelids. There is nothing magical in raw potatoes. They simply seem to hold a cool temperature which soothes the pain in the eyes. I think this is much like the ice pack accounts that have been stated. Long story short, this is the result of over exposure to infra-red light. (Think "hot" when you think of infra-red.) Flashburn is short lived. It will usually correct itself within 24 hours. There is also a long term effect from multiple flashburns. Any time the metabolism of the lens inside the eye is disrupted, there is potential for cataract formation. There is even a particular type of cataract that is called "welder's cataract" though you don't have to be a welder to develop it. Chronic exposure to IR (infra red light), of any origin, is the primary cause. This type of problem is not usually associated with cancers because UV is the villain in those scenarios. Could VPW have gotten "flashburn" from improper use of studio lights? I think he could have. But would this translate into a causitive factor for his ocular melanoma? It's not very likely based on current information. I don't have any problem accepting that he experienced flashburn from the filming process. I find it to be a real stretch, though, to link the filming to his malady.

Gotta scoot. The old work routine and all that. Somebody want my turn?

Thank you for starting this thread, JeffSjo. It was tough finding out I had been duped. What was tougher, though, was realizing I had played an unwitting role in the deception of others. There is an understandable sense of guilt that accompanies that realization. Knowing you feel a sense of remorse for your contribution, however big or small, says a whole lot, at least to me, about the integrity of your personal character. It's a serious topic, not one to be dismissed lightly.

Jonny Why didn't you just ask him what he did?

I think I would have to Blame It On The Bossa Nova by Eydie Gorme. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWVbTlWsk4I

Would entrance to the inner circle involve being blindfolded, eating some ungodly hot root or pepper(or something) and swearing to never reveal what secrets lurk in the inner sanctum? errrrr--never mind. You didn't hear it from me.---Mum's the word.

Fire and Rain----JT Gotta go to work. Freebie?

Well------------------------- I do seem to have a bit more space on my bookshelves now.

Shame on you, Frank. Didn't you take any notes in your Pyramid Schemes 101 class?

Jimmy Scott

Here's what really caught my--errrr--attention. When he was passing around his prosthetic eye, his actually eye had, of course, already been removed. So, he knew at this point in time that he had ocular melanoma, though he possibly was not aware it had spread to his liver. Yet, he continued to promote the story about the lights in PLAF (The Wonder Class) Sounds like we were the ones who got snagged with the hook.

Rock on! It's YOUR day!

It's been said that Fidel Castro was quite a baseball player in his day though it's not clear whether he invented any baseball technique that rivals the importance of the hook shot.

In general, the category of sunlight that is most suspected of contributing to this rare form of cancer is UVB. UVB has a wavelength range of 280-315nm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet Does anyone here know any specifics regarding the lighting used to film the class? Comparing the spectral values might be helpful.

It's my understanding he was introduced to the more "radical" materials he promoted via his direct correspondence with extremist groups.

Given the opportunity to compare VPW to various historical figures, who would you choose and why?

I never said it did. It does, however, demonstrate that he was not "contrary" in his tenets as you would have us to believe.

"belief in Aryan superiority and Jewish inferiority" That doesn't contrast VP, it describes him. He promoted Anti-Semitic literature and had direct ties to Liberty Lobby. Actions certainly do speak louder than words.

1-2-3,What are we fightin' for?