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"Back to square one" Yes, in a sense, you are "back to square one". But, that is not at all the same thing as STILL at square one. Think of it as one of life's many, many round-trip journeys. It's not so much where the trip starts and ends but what you experience in the process. Just a thought.

Holy cats, Oenophile You got it down to the very script they used!! Cool post!!

This discussion generates a whole new train of thought for me. It's a sort of dilemma, really. You see, in PLAF (The Wonder Class), VPW taught that "fruit of the spirit" was directly resultant from operation of the manifestations. This idea was reinforced in the Intermediate as well as the Advanced Class. One aspect of FOS (fruit of the spirit) is "longsuffering", which Wierwille said is "patience" or a sense of tolerance, if you will. Now, when VP was quoting The Apostle Paul as stating, " I thank my God I speak in tongues more than ye all", he used his homiletic skills to imply that he, VPW, himself, spoke in tongues more than any of us, or, at the very least,a great deal. Yet, we have page after page after page documenting his absolutely explosive and unpredictably impatient and intolerant behavior. So now here's the dilemma. 1. He really did SIT much but was incorrect in his interpretation of that section of scripture. (Hence, his credibility is at stake.) 2. He was a blatant fraud. Either way, it doesn't look too encouraging, folks.

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Well, that was the year there was a little fireworks display. Also, someone performed American Trilogy at the closing service. Barry McCoy, perhaps?

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Well said, LZ.

In my view, GSC is a bit like a triage area. People come here with a wide variety of injuries and treatment requirements. But, along come the doubters who seem insistent that all will be fine with an aspirin and a band-aid. Or worse, that the car wreck never really happened. Of course, there are some who will do just fine will minimal treatment but others require much more extensive help. You can't just hang around the triage room insisting that people reflect on the good time they had at the beach just before the awful car wreck and not expect to encounter some resistance. Talking (extensively or exclusively) about the good times at the beach is best left for a future date when the bandages have been removed and the pain has subsided. Just my opinion

Uncle Harry was the one who was so opposed to life insurance. Anything that took money away from the ministry was viewed as evil, be it a food pantry to feed the poor, a charity to help crime victims or the purchase of life insurance. I remember dr. w going into one of his pseudo tyraids at an SNS or someplace about how life insurance was "off the word" because our survivors "ought to be able to believe God to supply their needs". Naturally he used several scriptures to "prove" he was right. Funerals and burials are expensive. How could it possibly be wrong to have some sort of plan in place to defray the cost to your survivors?

I don't know the answer, Phil. The best I can do is offer my opinion on Wierwille. In retrospect, I don't really think he honestly believed what he expounded. The progression of his success is too calculated, progressive and intentionally deceptive to have been spontaneous. On the other hand, I don't think he foresaw how quickly or how large his scheme would grow. Once he saw he was onto something, though, he seized the opportunity with fervor. If he did believe his own words, it was certainly not evident in his own lifestyle. Biblically speaking, you tend to speak what is in your heart and out of that heart comes the life you manifest. There was an obvious incongruity in this area with Wierwille. I also think he was quite mentally ill, which may be a separate issue or be inextricably intertwined into the mix.

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Say,man. Yes? I saw your wife the other day. Uh huh? Man is she ugly! Yeah, baby, but she sure can cook.

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Are you good with basic hand tools?(ie: wire strippers, pliers, etc.) Just kidding!

Well, I know he had to decide whether to be Bumpy or Grumpy. (Sorta reminds me of the old Firesign Theatre bit--"How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all?") Anyway, I'm thinking maybe something got inadvertently messed up in the process?

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OK, I read the "differences" schpiel. So, if there is that much difference between the two, why would they hold Vic's mumbo jumbo in such high esteem and assume he would be proud of them? In fact, why would they revere any of his work, knowing what they now know about the abundance of errors? BTW--- When you read in The Bible about "holding fast to that which is good", I'm fairly certain it's not specifically referring to sifting through Way doctrinal nonsense in an effort to find "that which is good".

Translation I'm still drinking the kool-aid and and it's tastier than ever. Won't you come join me in a sip?

OOPS! Sorry Got the sequence messed up somehow.

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The "lockbox" was taught in Christian Sex And More Sex as early as 1973 or 1974. He said you should not reveal all the details of your past sexual history to your spouse after you marry. He specifically referred to this as a "lockbox" (sic) Sounds like more "grooming" to me. <_<