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My knowledge on the subject of martyrs is minimal to non existent. I can tell you this, though, Brushstroke, TWI taught that praying to Patron Saints was the same as praying to Devil Spirits.

Here's an article on "meta-discussions" that I stumbled upon on another site I visit. It seems to have some relevance to the subject of "rules". http://www.fitz-claridge.com/node/18 It's a bit lengthy so I've only copied the introduction. Sarah Fitz-Claridge home | polls | search Meta-discussion: an explanation Sarah Fitz-Claridge What is meta-discussion? You eagerly start reading a discussion supposedly about a subject of great interest to you, only to find that instead of being about the named subject, the discussion is full of posts arguing about how to discuss, what posts should be allowed on the forum, the attributes of a particular poster, complaints about others' posts and complaints about the discussion. Your heart sinks. You search in vain for any on-topic posts, then give up and never bother returning to that forum or discussion again. That is meta-discussion, and it ruins many a good discussion. For that reason, more and more discussion forum owners are asking posters to avoid meta-discussion. Let me explain why: Meta-discussion is second-order discussion: discussion about the discussion – for instance, about its style, its participants, the forum in which it takes place, and so on – instead of about on-topic matters. Imagine a discussion forum whose subject is the book Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand. Here are the possible kinds of discussion:

What's your name? Who's your Daddy? Is he rich like me?

Is it Do You Believe In Magic? by Lovin' Spoonful?

Rhino While I agree with the point you are making, I am still curious if this expression came from a specific source. I think the earliest I can recall hearing it was about 1972 or 1973.

Happy smoke free birthday, Raf!

"I'd be dead today if not for Dr. Wierwille/PFAL." Through the years, even long before GSC, I have heard people use variations of this same phrase on so many occasions that it's difficult to estimate the number. Does anyone know where this phrase or line of thinking may have originated? Surely hundreds(maybe thousands) of people did not arrive at this "conclusion" all by themselves. Is it in a teaching, a song, a magazine article ? Where did this start? For one or two people to think this is expected, but hundreds is bizarre. Remember-----We're talking about a cult being attributed this virtue. Anyone know?

finallyunderstand Posted Today, 09:06 PM I don't remember if anyone ever said I was posessed. But there were several times I was told I wasn't "controllong my mind" or I was "out of control" just because I didn't agree with someone or something. Like the time when they tried to get me to pray for the board of trustees to either die or change. I disagreed in a meeting about having 24 hours of prayer for this. I refused to pray for anyone to die. OMG. Was I ever roasted. They all took turns ripping me to shreds. I was only a kid too. -------------------------------------------------------------- Oh my gosh! You were asked to pray for someone to DIE? How sick is that?

Hi Avondale Up on the top bar, you click on "live chat". There is a "lobby" as well as a place to talk one on one.

One problem that I am having with this discussion is that it seems to exclude those who are not of the Christian persuasion. Surely the difference between intentional and non-intention misdeeds exceeds the boundaries of one's particular religious beliefs

All this talk about "forgiveness" makes me wonder if maybe we shouldn't pause and define it. Sorta make sure we're talking about the same thing, know what I mean?

Everybody Picks On Me!

I like your "ruck sack" analogy, Ben, though "diddy bag" might be more appropriate for the current guests of GSC.

Maybe we're all just Waiting For Godot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_Godot

Maybe this is better suited to the doctrinal forum but, I think one must examine the meaning of "forgiveness" before committing to subjecting to it.

Ben Are you aware that VPW had direct ties to white supremacy/anti Semitic organizations, sympathized with Hitler and openly taught that The Holocaust was a fraud?

I feel no compassion for them.(VP and LCM) They chose the paths they followed. Likewise I feel no compassion for Hitler, Noreaga, Idi Amin or Musolini because they were "deceived by Satan". Anger for what they did or judgment of their actions could never make me "become as guilty as they are".

We all got duped-----All of us. When we handed someone our pen to sign the now infamous "green card", we were part of it. When we sat in front of the twig and expounded on the amazing (cough) "law" of believing, we were part of it. When we went door-to-door or mall witnessing to entice people to sign up for PLAF (The Wonder Class), we were part of it. When we refused to allow a brother or sister to voice a "negative" but rather insisted they "renew their mind", we were part of it. And------------- we thought that what we were doing was helping people.

Sound the alarm, it's Radar's birthday.

Kinda reminds me of this:

Thanks, Chas I had never heard that song before.---by anyone. Great lyrics and heartfelt delivery. I'm sure I will listen to it again----and again

Hi, Dana I'm pretty sure we never met. One thing I didn't realize until I started visiting here is how large the whole operation was at its peak. So, if it seems like people don't remember you, it's probably not because you were a "mouse".

This is slightly--- Here is something I have posted before related to the space program. http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html