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TROPHY MENTALITY It's what motivated them to actively pursue people who were already successful in their fields, whether it be athletics, music, medicine, finance, etc. It's really a variation of an old "tried and true" sales technique using implied endorsements. "You know, Mrs. Smith, your son's pediatrician bought TWO of these just last week." (TWI version) "There must be something to this if Joe Famous took the class"."

Taz For what it's worth, I think I understand what you are saying here. When my wife and I met 25 years ago, I was still active in TWI but most of my really extreme commitment and activity was on the wane. She took PLAF and a handful of the core (not corps) classes so that we would qualify as being equally yoked together. Can't marry an unbeliever now can we? She took TIP and even faked SIT/Interp. for at least 2 years. It still baffles her how it could continue to affect me. So, she was "in" it, albeit on the periphery, but it was never really "in" her.

In order to clarify my previous post, I should have mentioned that my encounters with this type of thinking extend as far back as 1972. Here is a snippet from Witnessing and Undershepharding, page 2. (1974) "The basic reason we witness is to help people into the classes on Power For Abundant Living----"

The answer is Love Potion #9, which was originally done by The Clovers but covered many times by groups such as The Hollies, The Searchers and The Beatles. Here's The Searchers' version. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiScTovt8ys

In order to understand this kind of thinking, you first have to realize that we, the individuals, did not always see things in the same perspective that typified the larger goals of the organization. In other words, we thought we were out there trying to help people. In reality, though, our purpose, from a corporate viewpoint, was to sell "The Class" and recruit more salesmen into our workforce. Based on that, I think I can see why this guy may have been deemed a "bad credit" risk. I saw the same type of thing happen, also. I would witness to some person who had genuine problems and get excited about how I thought "The Class" could help them. Then, I would be told to distance myself because they would probably not make good"leadership material"(ie: salesmen). Of course, there was always some sort of rationalization applied to it that seemed to make sense to me at the time. If we had looked at this thing for what it really was, a money driven sales effort, it probably wouldn't have bothered us nearly as much. Unfortunately, we saw ourselves as philanthropists, not salesmen. As always, that's just my opinion.

You mean that gypsy with the gold-capped tooth ?

Hey, everybody, it's Herbie's birthday!!

Thanks, RG!! Perfect for a Sunday morning. I can never seem to get too much Eva Cassidy.

I wonder if Crime and Punishment would each have their own segment.----???

"Why's everybody always pickin' on me?" (Note: This is the tag line, not the opener.)

Yeah, I've thought about that. But I figure, I was probably my own worst enemy. Most of my disappointment is with the organization as a whole and not so much with individuals. (Aside from the obvious VPW, LCM, etc.)

Happy Birthday !!!

Time for a "trip" in the way-back machine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHrwgvhX3ko

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeR5UtvwM7w

These Boots Are Made For Walkin'----Nancy Sinatra

Here is a link that talks about it: http://www.arwentaylor.com/craigslist-job-...ns-corporation/ Be sure to click on the samples and video. The dastardly aspect of this is the false hope they give to people who are genuinely seeking. (IMO)

I think my comments were totally within the basic framework of the topic. Does it offend you when you hear mr. wierwille disparaged?

Personally, I don't give a rat's patootie if he had a legitimate PhD from Oxford. It would not negate the vile nature of the scam he ran out of New Knockwurst, Ahia. In fact, it would probably shed a more favorable light on him if the degree was proven worthless. Who would want to be known for abusing a REAL degree from a prestigious organization to orchestrate the mayhem that has become his legacy?

George These are much more subtle and devious than that. Here is a sample. (Notice that you must reply to a gmail or GMX address first) BTW---This is darn good pay for a laborer here. ------------------------------------------------------------------ General Labor Workers wanted – Great Pay + Benefits! Reply to: johnbeaushaw675@gmail.com [?] Date: 2008-10-23, 1:15PM EDT Company is seeking individuals with general construction experience. Candidates should have experience working in construction/industrial environments, and possess basic hand tools and construction knowledge. Compensation: $11-$13/hr to start, paid time off plus full benefits that include: - dental & vision plan - health insurance - prescription drug plan - short-term disability - life insurance - 401K Responsibilities include general construction labor and clean-up. You must be able to lift at least 50lbs several times a day, work on your feet for extended periods of time, and be willing to work in many different environments. Along with basic hand tools, it is beneficial, but not required, to have experience operating heavy construction equipment. The ideal candidate will be familiar with basic operations on a construction job-site and have working OSHA Safety knowledge. Equal Opportunity Employer (EOE).

"All" is a really big word. I think you would have to evaluate each one based on its own merits.

Are you looking for a job? Be on your toes. There is a lot of scamming going on at sites such as Craig's List. I don't claim to know a lot about it but here's the general picture. You see an ad that has specific details regarding hours, duties, pay, etc. It sounds very real. You click on the anonymous link and are sent to an email with a real sounding person's name. The address does not show a company but instead may be a gmail address. You submit a resume and cover sheet. Next you are auto-contacted, thanking you for your interest in the position. At this point you are told you must also fill out an on-line application and directed to another site such as the careerwizard.com. The application asks for the basics such as name, phone, email. When you click "continue" it may direct you to a page for on-line schools or it may just thank you for your application and then close. At the very least, they sell this info to spammers. But who knows what else they might do with it? This stuff is bound to get more abundant and cleverly subtle as the economy worsens. BE CAREFUL!!!

Actually, I think P.T. Barnum might have been offended by the comparison. Barnum didn't try to hide his motives. Phineas Taylor Barnum (July 5, 1810 – April 7, 1891) was an American showman remembered for hoaxes and for founding the circus that became the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus. Barnum never flinched from his stated goal "to put money in his own coffers." He was a businessman, his profession was entertainment, and he was perhaps the first "show business" millionaire. He never said "There's a sucker born every minute" but his rebuttal to critics was often "I am a showman by profession...and all the gilding shall make nothing else of me." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._T._Barnum

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