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Mitch Mitchell, the drummer for Jimi Hendrix Experience, has died in Portland, Oregon at age 62. http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/13/america/obits.php

The answer is: Alright Now-----Free http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B2clFsLA3w Free Post!! Free Post!! Free Post!!

From Cliff Edwards (AKA: Ukulele Ike) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PufkuY-jEg4

I heard that back in my Way Daze. I think it's really just what most people call your "first instinct". I suppose there is some merit to the concept of not being overly analytical of your decisions but beyond that I don't give it much credence.

The Way has a long history of excluding speakers and teachers from outside the fold in matters relating to Biblical accuracy. Feel free to refute that claim with hard evidence or step aside so others can continue the discussion as it relates to the thread title.

There's really no need for sarcasm. You implied (made a claim by virtue of refutation) that documentation exists showing The Way bringing in outside speakers. Can you provide that documentation or not?

Haven't we been down this road before? Since you apparently have access to a tape log, why not simply list these speakers? Isn't it you who is so insistent on documentation?

Saw this bumper sticker on a car a few years ago: "Rush is right!"

The issue here is not a matter of which magazine predates the other. (Though it should be noted that I included the phrase "at least" in my post when referencing the year 1961.) What is at the heart of the discussion is who, if anyone, has a right to claim exclusivity to the name. Just for shirts and girdles, here is yet another group with a publication called "The Way Magazine". http://www.thewaymagazine.com/

I looked at the archives to find back issues of their magazine. The archive shows they published their magazine at least as long ago as 1961. Who'll be suing whom?

None of my ancestors had made the journey across the big pond yet.

I think part of the answer to that question lies in the concept of "One True Household/Hedge of Protection" doctrine. Engaging in conflict with the organization or with leadership was viewed as walking outside "the hedge of protection". It was a fear driven tactic. Opposition to "the ministry" was seen as opposition to God, himself. I wasn't around when the "grease spot by midnight" phrase was coined but the same idea was certainly present in the early 1970's. And, in the late 1970's I knew someone who publicly spoke out against The Way only to find thugs from HQ on his doorstep giving him a stern warning to desist. Another factor to be considered is the 'lock-box" practice. You certainly never wanted to bring problems out where the non-TWI public could see them. It's not too different from keeping what goes on in your own home private. Don't air your dirty laundry in public kind of thing. There was an unspoken understanding that it was inappropriate to let outsiders see "the ministry" in a less than positive light.

It is, indeed, "Alright Now". It's not The Doobie Brothers, though. Perhaps the artist name will come to you if you ponder it a bit in your free time.

Weak analogy. You are trying to compare a one time event with a daily life style.

Let me see if I understand this. You weren't at Jonestown ----but you KNOW what happened. You weren't at HQ-------- but you KNOW what happened. You weren't at Rome City ------but you KNOW what happened. You weren't at Emporia -------but you KNOW what happened. Etc., Etc., Etc. Now whose presuming to "become an authority"?

What point are you trying to make, WD? That The Way was not mind controlling cult? That the abuses that took place there were OK because they were of a smaller scale? People died as a direct result of TWI doctrine too, though the death toll was not as high as Jonestown.(AFAIK) Don't bother to tell me they didn't because I knew two such people personally. The Way was a dangerous cult. It was not a "religious experience". Unless you personally spent significant time living in a Way communal setting, such as The Way Corps or Fellow Laborers, you really don't know the full scope of what went on at that level.

Personally, I find the CIA theory to be unbelievable. Any scientific experiment, in order to warrant validation, must follow a regulated protocol. In other words, you can't just toss various poisons to lab rats in some haphazard fashion and expect to draw conclusions that have any real value.

If you are suggesting that TWI HQ was some sort of modern day Camelot, your efforts are futile. Too many people who actually lived there can offer a far more realistic observation of what it was really like.

Perhaps some unanswered questions in New Knoxville as well.

Unlike the "one line" thread, this one requires the artist as well.

I took her home to my place Watching every move on her face She said, "Look, what's your game. baby?" "Are you tryin' to put me in shame?"

That's the Pointer Sisters' version of The Boss' song, Fire. I don't know if this is true but I heard that Bruce S. wrote it with the intention of having it recorded by Elvis. That, of course, never materialized. Here's The Boss.

Sad to say, we have nothing here that even remotely resembles the local pub or experiences you describe. :(

I wasn't going to watch this but decided to at the last moment. I'm glad I did. There were an amazing amount of parallels, although some specifics, like the final outcome, were obviously different. The real benefit to be gained from watching this is a better understanding of what motivated people to become initially involved, what motivated them to contribute to the daily mechanics of keeping it running, and what constraints made it so difficult to leave. Not all the constraints were physical. For instance,they were told that if they ever left, they would meet a tragic, violent death. (Grease spot by midnight?) One woman, who left before the big event, left behind a young son. When questioned about how any mother could leave behind her child, she explained that, by leaving him behind, she was trying to spare him a tragic ending. She, of course, had no way to know what the future held. Often we see outsiders or people who chose to not participate in the in-residence programs express a bewilderment of how we could have stayed on and didn't simply voice opposition or leave when things weren't "right". I think this program can give some valuable insight into those questions. If you are an outsider, a newer member of TWI who was not around for the earlier days or someone who was around but did not experience the communal living of the in-residence programs, this program can give you a whole new level of insight about the "TWI" that many of us experienced.

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