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There is a young lady in France named Christelle who has a channel on youtube. She makes music recordings in her bedroom using play-along type software. (All one take and no overdubs) This is her musical response to the news of Obama's win. http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=c3t_Y5veg6g

Yes!!

"I'll light the fire while you place the flowers in the vase that you bought today."

I'm a bit confused, Cheranne. Those words are the words of Taylor Buzzard, not your words; is that correct?

And people wonder why I've soured on religion. :blink:

That's right up there with VP inventing the hook shot. As early as I can remember (early 1970's) The Way was always vehemently opposed to anything that resembled role playing. According to TWI doctrine, role playing opened the "trap door" for devil possession. If there were even the smallest kernal of truth that it was developed for Way Corps use, it would present yet another very large dilemma trying to reconcile TWI practice with TWI doctrine.

Sorry, guys. I really thought this one would jump off the page. It's You Won't See Me by The Beatles. http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=Moxa0z7BBs8 Who's next?

The bookstore point is one that I, too, used to ponder. In fact, I posed the question ,"why not, if this information is as important as stated, focus some of our efforts and resources into getting these materials into libraries and bookstores?" The answer I was always given was that the materials built upon one another like chemistry 201 is built on chemistry 101, etc. and that the materials had to be viewed in the context of "the class" to be fully comprehended. Of course, this was all just a rationalization meant to drive the sales effort associated with promoting their product, PLAF (The Wonder Class). If you watch much TV (personally I don't anymore), it won't take long before you see an ad for a product that is "not available in stores!". Same concept, really. If you want the product, you have to buy it from us. It was all really just a money making business that used God as bait. Money making schemes come and go every day without a hint of notice from the general populace. So it was with VP & Co.

Perhaps VP & Co. were afraid someone would put their product (ie: "The Law of Believing", etc.) to a real test and discover it was flawed. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/radio/...ohn-juedes.html http://www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/editor...god-needed.html

Perfectly Good Guitar

My Mom has always treated me like a celebrity.

Yes

Me and you and you and me. No matter how they tossed the dice It had to be

Potato said this on "The Valley Of Human Need". "I just hope that if I hold out my hand with empathy when someone needs it, it'll give them the strength to carry on."

(Four Dead In) Ohio---CSN&Y

"When I call you up, your line's engaged". When I first heard this song as a teenager, none of us had ever heard that particular expression before. I guess that's why it always stuck in my head and I considered it "recognizable". If it's too obscure, someone please jump in with another.

Hiya, mudflaps Welcome aboard.

Help!!

So often when the subject of Jonestown comes up, the question that is raised is whether we could have gotten to the point of doing what the people at Jonestown did. It's a valid question, of course. But,in a sense, I think we had already gotten to that point in regards to our communal way of life and "group think". The question for me is whether upper leadership, such as VPW or LCM, might have taken a path similar to that of Jim Jones if the situation had presented itself. There is no way to know for certain. The parallels that exist in our way of life and theirs, though, are quite alarming.

javajivey This site is absolutely a great place for advice and assistance. I haven't been to a twig since 1990. I can't see, though, how much could have changed considering they are still promoting the same bogus doctrines, such as "The Law of Believing", "tithing and ABS", "The One True Household/Hedge Of Protection",the devil spirit mumbo-jumbo from the Advanced Class and so on. And, much of the top leadership is comprised of people who were, not only privy to the corruption that has been exposed, but facilitated it and continue to cover it up. But, hey, maybe they got new song books or something. I don't know. And there are some "innies" who visit here pretty regularly who can update you on the current state of affairs. If your friends are Advance Class grads, you might want to ask them if they can solve the dilemma that surrounds the circumstances of VPW's death from cancer and his chronic, severe addiction to alcohol. (See death certificate shown on this site.) Maybe they are just in the dark about what really happened. I know I was when I stumbled in here 2 years ago. They are fortunate to have a friend, such as yourself, who has stuck with them through the years.

And therein lies one of the biggest dilemmas an exwayfer can face. VPW said cancer was caused by a devil spirit. His cause of death? Cancer. VPW said alcoholism was a devil spirit. He lived in a constant state of drunkenness. Same thing with sexual predation, etc., etc. So were we following the teachings of a possessed man? Or was that just one of the many things he was completely wrong about? It doesn't look good either way.

I never met LCM either. Lots of people here did, though. And not only met him but knew him and worked with him. They say he was abusive, arrogant and prone to sexual predation. I value their opinions. As for the rapes, there are people right here on GSC who could and have given first hand accounts. And it always seems to somehow come back to victim blaming instead of outrage over the atrocious behavior of these men who claimed to be God's representatives. Kinda like a magic trick. Take the focus off the reality and direct it to the deception. I don't think there is really any doubt that VPW did, in fact, commit the heinous acts that have been related. Why didn't the victims press charges? Only they can say. It's really none of our business. It doesn't change what happened or make it go away. It's not their fault they were raped by a man they should have been able to trust. And then, VPW groomed LCM to walk in his footsteps. But the shoes didn't fit correctly and he stumbled and fell in his clumsiness. Your ABS and mine helped to fund a deal that was intended to make it all disappear, vanish into thin air so the poor saps who funded TWI would be none the wiser. And maybe if enough people could be hushed, there would be some who never have to find out the ugly truth about what a corrupt and dark organization TWI really was and is. I hope that never happens.

Maybe they'll have some groaty pudding in your honor.

Happy Birthday!!