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If I had to declare ONE rule of faith and practice, it would be The Golden Rule. It transcends religious boundaries and theological inclinations. But that's just me. :)

Mr.B. In the semi-early days (late 60s, early 70s) everything was pretty loose. Lots of hippie types showing up. You could go to twig in jeans and a tee shirt. You could meet spontaneously in a public park. You could have a "believers meeting" anytime there were 3 people and you felt like it. That looseness attracted people. They were already turned off by formality so this seemed like a fresh approach. Then it gradually got more regimented. Nicer clothes required for attendance. Long hair was now frowned on. Meetings had to be at certain times and follow a set format. Then the suit and brief case phase was ushered in. Then there were forms and schedules and rules and regulations and on and on --------until it began to resemble what people were looking to get away from in the first place. By the time it ended, it changed into what we were originally looking to escape. But it happened in small increments. And if you changed along with it, you didn't notice until there was no one left that resembled the "original" you. Hope that makes sense. edited---2x post

Here's another: Vol.III, page 76 "Because Cain was born of the devil's seed he was accursed of God and his offering could not be accepted. Genesis 4 tells of Cain's treatment." This is private interpretation on VPW's part. Here is what it actually says in Genesis 4 :8-12. And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother and slew him. And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper? And He said, What hast thou done? The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from my hand. When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. ********************************************** Nowhere in Genesis 4 does it say that Cain was "born of the devil's seed". edit: (Or that it was for this reason that he was accursed of God)

Is this necessary?

I talk to the wind.My words are all carried away.The wind does not hear.The wind can not hear.

Mark Ham made those references on posts # 678 & 680.

Only a squirrel can appreciate the true "nuttiness" of it all.

Is there such a thing as an LCM "apologist"? Just curious.

I'm not so sure about the "wasted" part but It would have been great to down a few brews with Muddy Waters. It seems like just about everyone he mentored went onto success in their own careers. The list reads like a "who's who" of modern music. Makes me wonder what The Rolling Stones would have called themselves if Brian Jones hadn't been inspired by Muddy's song with the now famous line, "I'm a rolling stone.".

You might try here.

Late at night it's hard to rest So I hold your picture to my chest And I feel fine

Leaving On A Jet Plane---Peter, Paul and Mary (and, of course, John Denver)

Not my cup of tea. I've already wasted too much time worrying about whether I was wasting too much time

Your patronizing insults have worn thin. "I'm too busy to be bothered with you.." "You guys don't have the necessary brainpower." "None of you ever learned how to study." "You're all too lazy to work at this." "No one was paying attention." "I'll only discuss this in PM's so I can control the secrecy." "You guys are wasting my time." etc. etc. etc. etc. Unless you can approach this, or any other subject, like a rational human being and have a healthy respect for others opinions, I see no valid reason to attempt engaging in this thinly veiled PFAL "info-mmercial" any longer. Good luck, Mike

Whether or not I have a rule of faith and practice or can cite an LOC number is really irrelevant to your premise regarding PFAL.

Perhaps you should pose that question to the government agencies who dropped the ball in New Orleans. Make sure to include the racist overtones.

Well, there ya go! Who says you can't "cast out" devil spirits?

What are the five steps the serpent used to deceive [fill in a name.]? 1. He questioned the integrity and accuracy of PFAL. 2.[fill in a name] responded to him, started participating by conversing and "reasoning". 3. [fill in a name] omitted a word. If one word is omitted from PFAL, is it still the word of PFAL? No. it has become private interpretation. By omitting one word, [fill in the blank] no longer has the word of PFAL. 4. [fill in the blank] added a word. When one adds to the word of PFAL, is it still the word of PFAL? Again, it becomes private interpretation. The moment a word is deleted or added, One no longer has the word of PFAL. 5. [fill in the blank] changed the word of PFAL. This is the spiraling road downward. To this day, whenever Satan wants to attack men and women of PFAL, he always leads them to question the integrity of the word of PFAL and then change it so that the word of PFAL no longer exists. Therefore I say unto you: STAND!----Let nothing sway you from the word of PFAL. (paraphrased from pages 253 and 254 of "The Orange Book".)

David Blaine breaks world record for holding breath. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...b=Entertainment I'll bet even he wouldn't be foolish enough to think he could hold his breath until he got a logical answer here.

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Would that include VP Wierwille? Would that include VP Wierwille?

For starters, I am not the one here who has claimed that PFAL is the only rule of faith and practice. Since it was you who made that claim, the burden is on you to prove it. Using your methodology, feel free to demonstrate why Wierwille was not in error when he stated on page 77 of Volume III, Studies In Abundant Living: "When Israel disobeyed and married Cain's progeny, they brought disaster to themselves." As Ham has pointed out,Cain's progeny was wiped out in the flood. Wierwille also stated, "And Ahab, Jeroboam's' son..." Again, as Ham has pointed out, Ahab was the son of Omri, not Jeroboam. I really doubt there are many places in the entire PFAL series that these names are even mentioned. There is no trick. Simply use your methodology to demonstrate why this is not erroneous. If it is erroneous, it certainly can't be considered a reliable source as our only rule of faith and practice.

Well, that's what VPW taught in PFAL but, as we have seen, the expressions "spirit in" and "spirit on" are used in both the NT and the OT. To assume that no one during the Gospel period could observe anything outside a senses point of view seems a bit too restrictive in my opinion. I propose that If God had wanted to reveal something to people during the Gospel period, it would certainly have been within his power, as defined in the OT.

Based on the above stated method, let's consider all the instances in PFAL of the genealogy conundrum and see if we can perform an analysis. If, indeed, PFAL is our only rule of faith and practice, this should be fairly simple.

Reference?