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'Nother thing. This one has me perplexed, too. How's come visually impaired people would have to make special arrangements that weren't required of sighted folks? Maybe life isn't fair but I always thought that God was. (fair, that is)

Here's something else that puzzles me. It's been said that 100,000 people sat through PFAL. Personally, I believe that number to be grossly exaggerated but let's say, for the sake of argument, that 50,000 people took PFAL. That would mean that 50,000 people were allowed to purchase a tainted product when the "pure" version was readily available. That doesn't seem very ethical, now does it? I wonder why a guy who had a personal connection to God Almighty didn't step up to the plate and correct the product flaws.

I'm the kind of guy who wonders about stuff. Like, for example, let's say a guy is blind and has been reliant on the audio version of PFAL as his authoritative source. Doesn't seem fair, really, that he's been confined to a defective version, now, does it?

Gee, Mike, I'm corn-fused. If there is no contradiction, what seems to be the problem?

How shall I put this delicately? Some are---well---no longer amongst us. We ain't gettin' no younger----Know what I mean?

Hi, Mike You've piqued my interest. Can you elaborate why you've deduced that wierwille's verbal teachings contradict his writings? If you don't mind, would you cite some specific examples?

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Especially if they're "giving you the eye".

Bang the drum, Dude. Have a great birthday.

So then your stance is that "God taught VPW what to put in print". Kinda makes me wonder why God would have taught him things that have been shown, time and time again, to be inaccurate and then had him commit them to print. One would think it would have been just as easy, or easier, for God to show VPW things that WERE accurate and have him commit them to print. Why would God view promotion of inaccuracies regarding His word as a solution to any sort of problems traditional Christians might be faced with?

I remember it too---just don't remember the exact session or paragraph or date or Way Mag issue or SNS # or whatever. That's not the point anyway. The point is he said it------- and several of us remember it.

Are you referring to this? "We can not know anything about the spiritual world by way of the senses."? (page 24) Last time I checked, the mind was in the realm of the senses. So then how can "your spirit teach your mind"? And, more importantly, how does Romans 10:17 (in any way, shape or manner) prove that "your spirit teaches your mind."? The whole class is so filled with contradictions and unsubstantiated claims, it has no merit or value.

Page 8/ AC syllabus The Great Principle God's Spirit teaches His creation in you which is now your spirit and your spirit teaches your mind. Then it becomes manifested in the senses realm as you act. Contrast that to: Page 270/ PFAL Spiritual things can only be known by the spirit So, if spiritual things can only be known by the spirit, how does your spirit teach your mind? Page 270 states that faith spans the chasm between natural man and God. "The bridge is faith". It goes on to cite Romans 10:17----"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" Maybe I'm missing something. How in heaven's name can this verse be interpreted as specifically meaning that your spirit teaches your mind?

The whole mantel discussion is extraneous to the original question regarding the viability of GSC. But, since we are exploring that avenue, has anyone else seen the ludicrous hypocrisy in all the pomp and circumstance assigned to the event by an organization that so vocally criticized the ritual ceremonies of other religious groups? Oh, yeah, if it's Catholicism involved, it's damnable but, since it's "the one true household", everything is just peachy. Riiiiight.

So then, if we are to believe the 1965 date, that means that for 23 years, VEEPEE never mentioned it to his own wife. An incident that was supposedly of an unprecedented magnitude. Then, when he decided to reveal it, he chose a public audience to do so. And, if the snowstorm was only for his own benefit, he would have betrayed his trust in revealing it at all. I don't buy it.

HQ is "holy ground". I haven't been there for years but it is my understanding that I would not be welcome to attend a service unless I met specific criteria, such as regularly attending fellowship meetings and abundantly sharing (ABS) which is giving over and above the required 10% of gross income to the organization. That is not an invitation that is glibly extended.

Curiosity got the best of me so I googled. I had never heard this song before. I must say, though, after hearing it on youtube, I do agree it's a good tune.

More Criss Angel--

The answer to that would be purely speculation on my part. I can tell you, though, "date and switch" is a specialty of The Way. (I'm speaking from personal experience.) There are lots and lots of people here who could relate personal experiences involving the practice. They have even been known to use sexual favors to "close the sale" The ultimate reason for bringing anyone into the fold is so they can become a contributing member. (ie: give them 15% of your income.) They frown heavily on members associating with non-members unless it is to entice them into the organization. I have been out for nearly 20 years but when I was in, it was unheard of to marry a non-member. In fact, it was practically taboo to even date someone who was not involved with The Way.

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Kinda makes me wonder if people, 2,000 years from now, will consider The DaVinci Code part of the Biblical Canon.

Talk about theatrics----

CBS has a popular show called The Mentalist. The lead character is someone who once made his living pretending to have special powers. http://www.cbs.com/primetime/the_mentalist/about/

I voted for #5, he made it up, though I don't think that exactly reflects my opinion. What I actually think is that he heard a similar story somewhere and made up his own version to personalize it, much like the story of his preaching to the trees that originated, in essence, from an incident that Billy Graham recounted of his own personal experience.

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