waysider

Blast that old context boogaboo! You are using a statement from the session dealing with the bogus "law" of believing. (page 3) Close----but no cigar. Like Mike say, "You gotta master that rascal!"(Paraphrased, of course.)

He got his "revelation" from white supremacy propaganda. His "secrets" were hidden at the bottom of a Drambuie filled coffee mug. All hail the Reverend Dr. Cyclops.

Maybe you could just give us a synopsis.

Mike Posted Today, 12:51 AM Ditto for me, and I'd add that if it weren't for the class and the ORANGE BOOK I'd have never been able to approach the KJV and get as much out of it as I did. --------------------------------------------------------- You might have tried Bullinger's How To Enjoy The Bible. It was readily available long before The "Orange" Book. Here's a free download: http://home.sprynet.com/~dvogel/dvogel.htm

Any two believers can make a marriage work.

"Distraction" is what we were so well conditioned to ignore. (Session 7/ PFAL) Never allow yourself to be "distracted" by rationale and genuine inquiry. Rather, "renew your mind" with a regimen of self delusion exercises. Make a deliberate and systematic practice of anesthetizing the regions of the brain that allow for critical thinking, by means of strange and enticing utterances. And finally, having perfected these things---- STAND. Yes, stand firmly planted in one spot, like a rock that can't be budged, hopelessly immobile, oblivious to the life that ebbs and flows around it. Anything else could result in unspeakable consequences.

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QUOTE (waysider @ Jan 13 2009, 09:51 AM) * He knew virtually nothing about The Dead Sea Scrolls beyond their very existence. Yet, he passed his personal judgment on them without any real investigation. What is there to document? Very few people knew much about the contents of the scrolls in 1972 or 73 when Wierwille made the statement. Are you saying Wierwille had some sort of privileged access to their contents? I rather doubt that, yet he declared them to be "counterfeit". That, my friend, is a rush to judgment. It's "hasty". Which brings me to the question of what it was that YOU knew about The Dead Sea Scrolls in the 1970s that enabled YOU to deem them "not worth looking at"? Was it because you heard Wierwille say so?

OK---So then the plagiarism must have stemmed from books he acquired AFTER the dump incident.

So then how did he manage to plagiarize from these books he supposedly took to the dump? Do you mean he replaced them and then plagiarized from them? Just trying to understand the chronology here.

He knew virtually nothing about The Dead Sea Scrolls beyond their very existence. Yet, he passed his personal judgment on them without any real investigation. That's hasty. Kinda like a kid who says "I hate green beans!" but has never actually tried them. When Wierwille said they were "counterfeit", he was not implying that someone had created fake copies of real documents like a fake knock-off of a real Rolex watch. He was implying that, although they may have been real documents, they had been inspired by "devilish" influences. For a study in how Wierwille presented "The Genuine Vs. The Counterfeit", refer to page 14 in the 1971 Advanced Class syllabus. The entire page is dedicated to contrasting the two. Here are some interesting examples: God's Word vs. Mistranslations and Misquotations Signs and wonders vs. Lying signs and wonders Give to the work of God's ministry vs. Give to a good cause.

QUOTE (waysider @ Jan 13 2009, 08:05 AM) * Maybe people had that impression way back then because that's what he claimed. (Took all his books to the dump. God showed him things that hadn't been known for 2,000 years.) From Elena's book we have: "He said He would teach me the Word as it had not been known since the first century if I would teach it to others."

Happy Anniversary, you two love-birds!

I never claimed to know anything at all about The Dead Sea Scrolls. What I said is that Wierwille told us in the Advanced Class (1973) that they were "counterfeit". I think most of us here know that when he said "counterfeit", he meant it in a spiritual sense, especially when you consider that it was in the context of a class where such matters were the topic of the day. My knowledge of The Dead Sea Scrolls (or lack thereof) has no bearing on that point. Your insistence that I demonstrate my knowledge of The Dead Sea Scrolls is nothing but a diversion tactic, a "strawman argument" if you will.

So, then, are you saying he DIDN'T get his information directly from God?

Maybe people had that impression way back then because that's what he claimed. (Took all his books to the dump. God showed him things that hadn't been known for 2,000 years.)

"Just write THE TEACHER." He held himself out to be THE TEACHER, not simply ANY teacher, but THE teacher. This implies he had attained a level of mastery that the students lacked. Is that the same as a scholar? No---- not if you want to pick at nits and discount any tees that aren't crossed. He presented himself as having special knowledge of the subject and camouflaged the reality of his abysmal lack of scholarship with his "aw shucks" farm boy act.

We know now that much of what VeePee passed off as revelation in regard to the illuminati and various conspiracies actually came to him through direct ties he had to Liberty Lobby, a political extremist group. Now I find myself wondering what ties he had that afforded him access to date rape drugs in the early 1970s when they weren't nearly as prevalent as today. What other connections to the darker side of life did this man have? I don't think he was at all the man we thought him to be.

If "a lot of the stuff"he taught was not original, the logical conclusion would be that someone knew it before him. It was not material that hadn't been known since the first century as he led us to believe. Spin that however you like, the contradiction is still there.

"God said He would teach me The Word like it hadn't been known since the first century if I would teach it." We now know that didn't happen. Why? Because the same person who made that statement (VPW) also said, " Lots of stuff I teach is not original." If the stuff was not original, it follows suit that it was known after the first century by people other than VPW. Those two statements contradict each other. Either VPW lied or God lied. Take your pick.

"Lots of stuff I teach is not original." Is this anything like saying, " My claim to knowledge that hadn't been known for 2,000 years is bogus."---- ???

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