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Newlife Same thing happened to me. I was mostly into writing. I was told to choose between music or the ministry. I didn't play or write for my first 2 or three years in TWI. That ability to write never really came back to me. But, what I have found after all these years of being out of TWI is that the creativity is still there. It just looks for other avenues to express itself. Some of them are musical and some are not. If it's in there, it will find its way to the outside. Remember the old John Lee Hooker song? "He's got the boogie in him and it's got to come out!" :lol: A big part of it is to not try to force it. Just let it flow.

Unemployment rates in Northwest Ohio are approaching the 20% level. "The hardest-hit areas are rural counties in southern and northwest Ohio. Williams, Fulton and Henry counties, a cluster of counties in the state’s northwestern-most corner, posted 15 percent unemployment of higher. Huron County suffered the most job losses, with 18.3 percent of its residents filing for unemployment status." Source: http://www.madisonpress.com/local.asp?ID=1604&Story=1

Most of the "Bible Stuff" turned out to be poorly researched and highly flawed. (ie: 4 crucified, the cry of triumph, throughly/thoroughly, SIT-- and on and on.) So what did we really "know" in the first place?

Walking in Memphis

You say no one here was present during the commission of a crime. That assumption is in error. Exposing children to pornography is a crime in Ohio. People have testified that they were personally present when Wierwille did so. Providing alcohol to minors is a crime in Ohio. Same deal. Transporting people across state lines for the purpose of debauchery is a federal crime. People have given first hand testimony. It is against the law to drug a person and then have sex with them. People have given first hand testimony. These are crimes. People here were personally present. All this is moot anyway because Wierwille is dead. The people who you are insinuating to be liars are alive. You are the accuser, not them. As such, it's up to you to prove they are lying. Oh, yes, I know you never directly called them liars. Irrelevant. That's your implication. Now do a little tap dance and sing a song about how you are really a noble freedom fighter protecting the world from injustices. Riiiight. Here's what I would like to know. Are you engaged in any sort of business activity that might experience a revenue decrease (or increase) if Wierwille's true nature was exposed? Oh, wait. That would call for some speculative thinking on your part. Are you engaged in any sort of business that receives revenue from the sale of Way materials?

Make mine a VSOP. Uhmmmm--------You're buying, right?

For me, the crux of the issue is that Wierwille picked up on this scripture and twisted it around to suit his own purpose, putting us into subjection to the organization. He used it to intimidate us.

Apparently the "duck bill grip" lives on----HERE (They seem to have given up on not looking at your guitar, though.)

He had a beer in his hand while he was "teaching" me.

Totally irrelevant. Prove your accusation.

The ball is still in your court, WD. You have consistently engaged in an accusatory fashion toward people here. Your stance seems to be that their claims against a dead man are false. It is up to you to prove it.

WARNING!----Not Wierwille related Before TWI, I was very involved in music. I had played hundreds of gigs before I ever heard of PFAL. After I got in TWI, I had a Limb Leader (who had no musical background that I was aware of) try to tell me I held my microphone all wrong. He insisted I needed to shape my hand like a duck bill and hold the mic. gently so it would appear to be light in weight. I guess that's cool------------ if you want to look like you're auditioning for Lawrence Welk or something!

I think you just did!

I'm thinking this thread could have been named: Your 401k-----floater or sinker? (Either way, it's in the toilet.)

You have become the accuser. You, in essence, are accusing people of making false statements about a dead man. Do you have proof those statements are false?

We are no longer talking about accusations against Wierwille. We're talking about the accusations you are making against his victims. Prove that their claims are false or stop accusing them of wrong doing. The burden of proof has shifted to you.

You are mistaken, sir. The burden is on you to prove the claims against Wierwille are false. You are mistaken, sir. The burden is on you to prove the claims against Wierwille are false.

The man was a drunken pervert with a heart of stone. He duped you just like he duped all of us. Get over it.

QUOTE (potato @ Mar 4 2009, 11:11 AM) * actually, for the record, the claims have been documented. methinks you should go back and read the federal rules of evidence again. at this point, in a court of law, the documented testimony of vpw's victims would have to be proven false, so this entire discussion is based on an ignorant and/or misinformed assumption of what VPW's rights are as a deceased citizen of the US. ***************************** WD said: No they don't the burdon of proof is on the accuser. ******************************************************** In an odd twist of irony, you fail to recognize that you, sir, are the accuser. You are accusing people of making false statements about Wierwille's nefarious deeds. Since Wierwille is dead, that places the burden on you to prove their statements are false.

Would that be apistia or apeitheia?

WTH asked: Acts 1:8. Then why did the disciples ask Jesus to restore again the kingdom for them? If it [the Kingdom of Heaven] didn't end - then it certainly wouldn't have to be or need to be restored now, would it 1. They didn't ask him to restore the kingdom (of heaven), they made an inquiry. Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 2. Wierwille taught that their question was in reference to the political situation of the day. He used that to illustrate his claim that the disciples were only concerned with the immediate political situation in which they were immersed, not the spiritual significance of the event. He further used that scripture to "prove" that before Pentecost, spiritual matters were beyond the average person's comprehension.

So many wasted words. Wierwille was a conman. He exploited our trust to perpetuate his own life of drunkenness, debauchery and greed. No court ruling could ever change that.

How deep is a sewer?

Much too long ago to really remember how I felt. I do remember, though, that my early impression of Wierwille was that he was a shyster. The twig leader told me it was "unrenewed mind". (I hadn't had the class yet so I didn't even know what that meant.)