waysider

Mike If I understand you correctly, you are saying that the two admonitions only seem to conflict because revelation was given to change the original (admonition). You are further bolstering your argument by citing two of the "Keys To Walking By The Spirit" from page 10 of the AC syllabus. Those two keys are: 13. Revelation once given may change (God changes the revelation after the circumstances change) 14. Revelation given twice is established. First and foremost, even though scripture references were given to confirm these keys, they are never presented as such anywhere in the Bible/Word/Scriptures or whatever verbiage you choose to use. Secondly, wierwille says these "tremendous spiritual truths" are hidden in THIS psalm, Psalm 103, not the PFAL texts or writings of wierwille. But what would I know? I never really looked at this stuff before. <_<

Ok---I think I figured out what GMWD is. Is it God's Magnified Word? I'm looking at page 14 right now. It's the first page of chapter 2 and is titled "The Benefits Of God". "Psalm 103 is a tremendous example of knowledge and praise. Just the reading of it thrills the heart of anyone who loves God. The beauty with which this is set just from a human point of view, without even thinking of its spiritual impact, should set at peace the soul of any man or woman. For us as born-again believers there are tremendous spiritual truths hidden in this psalm that will elevate and enrich our lives as we learn them." Then it goes on to cite Psalm 103:1-4. So what is the great mystery/truth/treasure you propose is being revealed here?

I thought my request was quite reasonable. What is GMWD? What is on page 14 that you wish to call attention to?

Refresh my memory. What is GMWD? Can you be more specific about what is on page 14? (I doubt I have a copy to reference)

Perhaps you could bring one of those fine points (or one of the finer details) "to the table", as you say. If it helps it make more sense, I would think you would be eager to do so.

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In the May/June1979 issue of the Way Magazine the Our Times article by Dr titled “How the Word Works” talked about mastering the Word. In that same issue was the main article titled “Masters of the Word.” In that Our Times article we read: "At these occasions, the years of Biblical research I have spent come back to my mind, and joy wells up inside me as I think of what is available to you today through The Way Ministry in book and magazine form, setting forth the accuracy of God’s Word. This research took me years to work out, and now you can see the depth of it in just a few short hours of reading. Any person who works this material will have a fantastic opportunity to see how the Word works." ********************************** Call Now!! Operators are standing by!! HELLO?? It's a stinkin' commercial plug, for gosh sakes!

Say huh? :blink:

Wasn't it common for believers to refer to something as "being from the pit (of hell)", "from the adversary", "from the devil", etc.? So which was it? Did the subject being referred to come from a spiritual entity (the adversary) or from a figurative location (the pit)? I submit the essence being conveyed was synonymous whichever way it was stated.

What exactly is the point of this thread?

waysider said: It's a crime? I wasn't aware our laws apply in French controlled territories. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WD replied: Yes it is a crime QUOTE The French Embassy in Washington, D.C., issued a written statement condemning the use of dogs as shark bait, emphasizing that such acts are illegal and will not be tolerated in the French territory. Again I never said our laws applied anywhere that is your assumption. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- waysider replied: I never assumed our laws applied either. And they don't. If you want me to agree that animal cruelty is appalling, you got it. But please don't fudge my words to make it appear as if I said something that I didn't. Criminality is relative to the jurisdiction where it occurs.

Yes, accuracy is important. Sometimes it requires going beyond the simply stated and exploring the veiled implications.

Perhaps I didn't state my case clearly enough. I did NOT, in fact, say that the premise skyrider presented is/was-----PFAL=An inroad to The Word. That is a conclusion I drew from wierwille's promotions of "the class". Here is that post again. ****************** QUOTE (oldiesman @ Jan 16 2009, 10:49 AM) * I disagree with the premise that TWI promoted PFAL as the god breathed word. waysider replied: That's not an accurate assessment of the premise as it was portrayed in the post that started this thread. In other words, you have now introduced a diversionary premise, one that is much easier to refute. The original premise was--------TWI's mission statement was/is PFAL= The Word. It doesn't even mention PFAL being God-Breathed. The original inspiration was said to be a product of revelation/phenomenon, yes, but not the class itself. In fact, the concept that wierwille promoted was that the average Joe could use the "principles" he taught in PFAL (not revelation) to arrive at an in-depth understanding of The Word that exceeded whatever else was available on the market. So the class was supposed to be an inroad to----"The Word". (Do you see the conclusion being drawn?) "If you don't understand something, just ask me, I'll tell you."------VPW Just write "The Teacher".

Hmmmm. Maybe it's part of that "mathematical exactness". You know, it's "axiomatic".

Which question, Mike?

Mike That's called cherry picking. You can certainly do that if you so choose. It doesn't bolster the credibility of your argument, though.

It's a crime? I wasn't aware our laws apply in French controlled territories.

That's not an accurate assessment of the premise as it was portrayed in the post that started this thread. In other words, you have now introduced a diversionary premise, one that is much easier to refute. The original premise was--------TWI's mission statement was/is PFAL= The Word. It doesn't even mention PFAL being God-Breathed. The original inspiration was said to be a product of revelation/phenomenon, yes, but not the class itself. In fact, the concept that wierwille promoted was that the average Joe could use the "principles" he taught in PFAL (not revelation) to arrive at an in-depth understanding of The Word that exceeded whatever else was available on the market. So the class was supposed to be an inroad to----"The Word". "If you don't understand something, just ask me, I'll tell you."------VPW Just write "The Teacher".

I never said that animals should not be humanely treated. What I said is that it's none of our business to tell people in other parts of the world what they should and shouldn't eat nor is it our responsibility to control their production methods. We are not the world's "police force".

Has anything like this ever happened?---Probably. Is it likely to be a widespread practice?---I doubt it. As callous as this may seem, why is it really any of our business what people outside of our country are doing to supply the food chain? In South Korea, dogs are raised as livestock and butchered for food. It's technically illegal but, for the most part, unenforced. It doesn't represent the diet of the majority of the population. Probably only about 10% (3 million) include it in their diets which are primarily vegetarian based. Is it our place to stop them? In France, foie gras is a popular food item. For those who are unfamiliar, foie gras is produced by forcing food down a goose's throat using a metal pipe. This is done to enlarge the goose's liver. Again, do we have a right to stop them? While I agree that such a practice is cruel, maybe we should focus some of our empathy toward helping the people in Mississippi and Louisiana who have yet to recover from Katrina. Just my opinion

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Thanks, guys It's been a year or two since I listened to that teaching. I appreciate your input.