waysider

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Dispensationalism lives at the very core of Way theology. Wierwille based his whole "if you can handle it" philosophy on the concept of the Grace Administration. His "to Whom it is written" thinking is addressed very early, session 5 to be exact. Is the administrations line of thinking valid? That's a topic best discussed in another forum rather than veer off course on this one. And, in fact, a search will reveal that this very topic of administrations has been discussed previously. I think Wierwille knew he was off base on the Grace Administration concept. (Bullinger or no Bullinger) That's why he carried it a step farther by teaching that when "adultery" was mentioned in the Bible, there was a secret, profound meaning behind its usage. Simply put, he taught that adultery was really referring to worshiping false gods. He even assigned it its very own devil spirit in the Advanced Class, the "spirit of whoredoms". Then he used the administrations lessons to "prove" it. Not satisfied to stop there, he instituted the "lock box" and even resorted to vile methods to insure the lock box stayed closed. He was really no different than the common child molester that tells his innocent, young victim that their relationship is a very special one and must be kept secret. As John so aptly noted, the difference between what Wierwille did and what others such as Swaggart, Baker and others did is that Wierwille actually used theology to justify his actions. That is simply inexcusable for a man in a position that is supposed to be above reproach.

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Maybe I'm mistaken. Wasn't J0nny "grandfathered" in?

We used to have unannounced, middle of the night room inspections in Fellow Laborers. They even inspected underwear drawers to insure that everything was folded and stored properly. (Of course, it never was. <_< ) And yes, male leaders rifled through the females unmentionables. How nuts was all that?

Programing people to act like bullies is only half of the story. The other half is that they programed others to be recipients. They programed the latter to believe they were spiritually weak (whatever that really means) and wrong to ever question or doubt the former. [Refer to Eve's predicament, as "explained" in session 7 of PLAF (The Wonder Class).] They villafied those who objected and protested. They never could have succeeded in creating a class of bullies without creating a class of recipients. For some people, it takes years to recognize that such vulnerability can have disastrous consequences. So, in a sense, it's my opinion that instilling a naive sense of blind trust in the recipients was just as heinous as creating bullies.

Maybe his scabbard was empty.

You've piqued my interest. Can you cite some specifics?

Why is it this reminds me of a traffic round about? First, you said if there was confirmation of proven guilt, you would shout from the roof tops. Then, when an example was given, you said the context was about VPW, not just any old guilt. Now, you're saying it has nothing to do with guilt or innocence, even though that seems to be the title of the thread. It looks to me like you are having trouble figuring out how to navigate the round about.

You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time. But you can't fool--------- Mom. Ron Penfound (AKA Capt. Penny) paraphrasing Abraham Lincoln

Now why would we want another case when you've already declared that "the context was VPW."?

"The context was VPW." 'Nother words----It's all about upholding the innocence of VPW. WD doesn't seem to really be concerned about you, me, or the poor kids in Alaska who suffered at the hands of a known pedophile due to the negligence of TWI. What he is concerned about (IMO) is maintaining the image of VP Wierwille in an unblemished state.

QUOTE (waysider @ Feb 22 2009, 06:58 PM) * What basis do you have for comparison? In light of you having never been in the corps, it's reasonable to expect you would not see the connection. Except I was and there is no comparison. So now you are saying that you WERE in the corps? As an active participant in daily activities?

Let me see if I understand this correctly. This whole thread is about the presumed innocence of VPW?

Was this the same young lady who had tried to look behind the curtain a few years prior?

My post was in response to this statement: "Show me a confirmed charge of a crime and I'll shout it from the roof tops."

No. In fact, part of Wierwille's gimmick was that this was supposedly proprietary information that contradicted the conventional materials one might find in a library. So, he was already telling us that if we were to "research" other sources, we would likely find "erroneous" information. He was a master of obviation. OBVIATION

What basis do you have for comparison? In light of you having never been in the corps, it's reasonable to expect you would not see the connection.

There have been cases of children being sexually molested by leadership that resulted, not only in charges, but in convictions and incarcerations. These are matters of public record. Upper leadership made deliberate efforts to cover them up and allowed the practice to continue. These things have, in fact, been documented on GSC, as I'm sure you're well aware.

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I think most of us share that sentiment with you, Leafy. Thirty three pages recalling child abuse in TWI. First hand testimony of abuse. First hand testimony of cover ups at the highest levels.. Documentation of felony convictions and incarceration. And yet there are people who continue to beyotch and whine about needing more "proof", hoping the new arrivals will be driven off before they find this stuff. Kinda makes ya sick, don't it?

-----Gloria Gaynor