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Here ya go, Paw. From the movie "Standing In The Shadows Of Motown", these are the musicians responsible for more hit songs then my little mind can fathom. And yet, they remained almost unknown until this movie exposed their contributions. More NUMBER #1 hits than The Beach Boys, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones and Elvis------Combined!! and HERE

Fool That I am

Why do some people feel compelled to so doggedly force their conclusions on others? Here's something from Tolstoy that may offer some insight: "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives."

WG A while ago, I posted an interesting take on predestination that G. W!neg@rner used to teach. I can't seem to remember where it is, though. It's the ice cream cone analogy.

Remember the old flip chart in session #12 that depicted "what it is" and "what it is not"? GSC What it is: (Refer to front page.) What it is not: A platform for those who choose to brow-beat and intimidate.

"Deep in the heart of Siberia's birch forests lies one of the largest and most remote religious communes of the planet. More than 5,000 people have left their families and their homes to move here and join the Church of the Last Testament, which has more than 10,000 followers worldwide. The church centers on one man. He is known simply as Vissarion, meaning "he who gives new life," or simply as the teacher, and he claims that he is Jesus Christ." (Be sure to watch the video.)

WD Perhaps you can help me clarify some information. On multiple occasions, you have stated you were never in the Corps, Fellow Laborers or The WOW program. Yet, now, when I have referenced your lack of experiences living in Way style communes, you say, a few posts back, that you have, in fact, spent time living in one of these communal arrangements. Can you elaborate on the type and extent of involvement you experienced while living in said programs?

The villagers in the Abode of Dawn follow an almost entirely vegan diet, largely based on what they can grow themselves. When they move here, they give the church their pensions and whatever possessions they may have. In return they receive basics such as sugar, buckwheat and flour. No money is used within the community but they are given an allowance of 300 rubles, about $12, a month. http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/Story?id=5225539

Well, Dorian, If you were looking for examples of the long term effects of Way indoctrination, you need look no farther than this thread. Some people will go on defending VPW and his secret deviant lifestyle until they take their last breath. It's sad---very sad.

Tell ya what, WD. How's about you tell us all what it was like to live in a Way commune. You have lived in a Way commune, no? See, the point you can't quite seem to grasp is that it's not about geographic location, it about what happened at those geographic locations. Sure, you may have been to this place or that stringing chairs and what-not, but you were a visitor, plain and simple. You have no concept of what it's like to live a communal lifestyle 24 hours a day. If you do, then please supply some supporting information. I've never been to Spain-----but I've been to Oklahoma.

I never said "Christianity changes", although, I believe that what we perceive to be "Christianity" certainly does change with passing time. Likewise, what we perceive to be the defining elements of a marriage may be miles away from the perceptions people held 2,000 years ago. One of the most obvious differences is the practice of arranged marriages. Marrying for love would surely have seemed quite foreign to people thousands of years ago when people entered marriage primarily as a business arrangement. This is why I said I think it is ludicrous to try to forcibly extract parallels that don't exist.

An alternative to canning is "blanch and freeze", which we did in Fellow Laborers. We had 50 people to feed. Here's a link. http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/5000/5333.html

Trying to compare marriage in the 1st century to marriage in the 21st century is ludicrous at best.

Ask her how she feels about plagiarism. Most of VPW's "works" are nothing more than flat out plagiarisms of people such as BG Leonard, JE Stiles, EW Bullinger, etc. Some of his books, when compared word for word, are virtually duplicated from the works of others. There is lots of documentation here on GSC. Show her the article that depicts the actual errors in PFAL. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/editor...ant-living.html Also, show her the threads that deal with the doctrinal errors in PFAL. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/editor...nal-errors.html and the discussion of Wierwilles "Blue Book". My guess, though, is that she will have some lame excuse for why it was okay for Wierwille to use the works of others as though they were his own.

I'm not sure what I can tell you that you haven't already deduced on your own. Wayfers are programmed to make a deliberate effort to avoid consideration of anything that contradicts their framework of beliefs. It's right there in session #7 of the PFAL class. I guess I don't need to tell you that. You are having a personal experience with it. All I can really add is that if someone doesn't want your help, you can't help them.

Saturday In The Park

Plagued by a series of recent layoffs, Walmart announced yet another round of job cuts. ("reorganization") HERE

If they do keep files on former members (and please note, I'm not saying they do.) I would think their concern would be more with "who KNOWS what?" rather than "who DID what?". Mine wouldn't fill the back side of a postage stamp.

Dan Seals has died.

I've Got The Key To The Highway.

Interesting how you can say it but not hear it when the shoe is on the other foot.

Should this same standard apply to those who never experienced communal life in The Way?

Muddy Waters and Eric Clapton

It's quite ironic, I think, how indignant you, yourself, become when people call your attention to your own lack of personal involvement in programs like the Way Corps, WOW and Fellow Laborers. And yet, you insist you know what must have gone on in those programs even though you admit you never participated in those programs or even beyond the local level. Kinda looks like the pot calling the kettle black.