waysider

First---Let me say that I don't believe she was "acting". You simply can't live in a commune, 24/7/365, and "act" as if you are someone other than yourself. Second-- The seminar was run by outsiders, non-TWI people. The devil spirit explanation was merely the explanation that the leaders latched onto.

LOL!! The added flax seeds will certainly get you "going", though!!

This was far more profound and seemingly permanent. It was "explained" that she had been delivered from devil spirits that were oppressing her.

Yes to question #1. Yes to question #2. (At least 2 years, one of which was FLO.)

Sometimes I wonder the same thing, myself---about myself. Very good topic, excie.

Would someone like to take my turn?

What I have "become intolerant of" are thinly disguised, paraphrased regurgitations of PFAL.

Sounds like a paraphrased line, straight out of session #1.

Luckenback, Texas---Waylon Jennings

Butter Pecan! :)

I think the kind of husband/wife relationship that Wierwille promoted was a product of the times and culture he grew up in, not a representation of the scriptures. (Rural America, during The Great Depression) I believe, like many other things he taught, he simply looked for scriptures that would substantiate his viewpoint with a bit of tweaking and twisting.

Hiya, Roy! It's sure good to hear your voice again. It sounds like you made a wise decision by choosing to leave the old trailer. You sound much better than you did a few months ago. Holy Hugs to you, Bro.

Wow!!! All we saw was glory. What a great tune, excie. It speaks loudly to what we "thought" we were seeing. Thanks!

Date And Switch

Sorry, Mr. B. I didn't see the poll at the top. I got "witnessed to", spoke in tongues, spoke in tongues and interpreted, prophesied, had what I would call a revelation type experience, and started the PFAL class all within the span of two weeks. Within two months, they made me a twig leader, mainly because I had a job, a car and an apartment of my own, where we could hold twig meetings.. Then, within another couple years, I took every class offered, including the AC, functioned as twig area coordinator, class instructor, chair stringer, coffee modification expert, duct tape master mechanic, and "flunky-on-call". It was a busy two or three years. Then, I moved to another part of the state to oversee things and run classes before going into Fellow Laborers. edit: "Date and Switch" got me to my first twig meeting and into the class. :(

I agree. I was 21.

Since you didn't specify the subject at hand, I'll assume you are asking, "How old were you when you "got in The Word"? I was 21.

I get what you're saying, Dot. When I said I "disagreed", it was a bit rhetorical. I wasn't really disagreeing with you. I was disagreeing with this part of the conclusion: "They were the smart ones to leave." Some of the ones who stayed were smart people also, but their decisions to stay may have been unwise. In other words, the judgment falls on the decision itself, not the person who made it. But, the monster was there regardless. Peace?

I wonder if they'll be adding a link to "Actual Errors in PFAL"? It seems like they would surely have to in order to present a " fair and balanced review".

Jeff Beck and Tal Wilkenfeld

I find myself wondering if The United States Marine Corps has authorized use of the USMC logo to promote reading materials that were created through plagiarism, an illegal activity. LOGO PLAGIARIZED READING MATERIALS

Very interesting, Mr. B. Maybe this explains the difference between VPW and LCM. I believe Wierwille, unlike LCM, knew from the very beginning that he was blowing smoke about this stuff.. That would explain why it didn't seem to present any sort of internal conflict for him.

I find I must disagree, in part, with this conclusion. Their decision to leave may have been wise, but it doesn't make they, themselves, "smart". Consider this: As an experiment, you bring a cow that's been dyed purple, a "monster" of sorts, into a large open room of people. Some may recognize the cow instantly for what it is. Others may admit to seeing the cow, but try to find a rational explanation for it's presence. Another group may see the cow, but insist it's an illusion. Some may never see the cow because it's been obscured from view by other people or objects in the room. Some people will accept the cow for what it is, only after careful consideration. And there are probably many other variations as well. But, if you ask these same people to recount the incident at a later date, their perception of the event may have changed. None of this makes one group smarter or wiser than the next. It simply demonstrates that perceptions can vary from person to person and even from one time frame to the next within the same person. . Through it all, though, one thing remains constant-------the existence of the cow. The "purple cow" was/is always there in TWI. After careful consideration, I like to think I'm finally starting to accept the "purple cow" for what it really was. edit: I'm sure I must have heard or read this example, or a variation, somewhere , sometime. I don't remember where or when though. Any documentation (of the example, not necessarily my conclusion of its meaning) would be welcome.

Life is too short to have sorrow. You may be here today and gone tomorrow.

You are a wise lady, Dottie Matrix.