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Buttons???? We don't need no steenking buttons!

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A "twofer"----hee hee hee My link

When he talked about operating "all 9" all the time, he was clearly delusional.

Oh, Lordy! Somebody stop me! I'm on a roll. HERE HERE AND HERE HERE AND

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Everything old is new again.

Is "skirt chaser" a ministry? I'm just sayin'------

Maybe what LCM really said was that he could be CEO of a fortune .500 company.

I suppose you could--------if you happened to subscribe to Calvinism.

Then again, maybe it was just a side effect of the contaminated well water.

I went to my first ROA in 1972. It was a refreshing change from some of the debauchery of secular rock festivals I had attended. It was all downhill after that.

I really think I can say with great confidence that I would not have followed any such orders. Maybe I left TWI before it got to this point. I don't know.

VeePeeWee was a common grifter, not an apostle. Trying to assign some sort of spiritual significance to his efforts is an indication that one is still, to some degree, being influenced by the deception. (IMO) Elsie Em, on the other hand, was a grifter's apprentice, not a prophet, who didn't have what it takes to master the confidence trade and got tossed out of the apprenticeship program.

You have a good memory, taxicab, even without the notes.

I'm not sure anyone (at least not me) is saying that human nature is evil. What is being said is that the true nature of the cult was evil. In other words, no one would have joined the cult if they knew they were joining something evil. Even that statement is probably not entirely true but I think is is true in the majority of cases.

Excellent point, TC

"Everything is spiritual"--------VPW

Session seven Listening with a porpoise 1. What are the five steps the serpent used to deceive Eve? ANSWER Step #1 He got Eve to QUESTION the integrity of "The Word". etc., etc. (Be careful---this could happen to you.) 2. Who has power and authority over the world today? ANSWER Satan 3. Where do sickness and death come from? ANSWER Satan yada, yada, yada----

Ironically, this is from a session of the Advanced Class that deals with characteristics of devil spirits. page 17 (1971 syllabus) "They inhabit certain places which they prefer to others. They tend to live in groups." The idea was this: Suppose you owned a tavern that was frequented by people with devil spirits. Even if you completely changed the function of the tavern into something else, such as a coffee shop or flower store, the devil spirits would still hang around the location. Maybe Linder's Freudian B.G. Leonard slip was showing. Hee Hee

Well, as I said before, this thread is really about the element of fear that is woven throughout TWI classes, not about SIT. SIT was just one contributing component. (IMO) But, the "ribbon of fear" is presented as early as session 7, even before the infamous sessions 11 & 12, where SIT was presented.

I don't understand your meaning.

I'm not so sure we completely missed it but the process of resistance took on the stature of an almost unobtainable goal. Consider, for one example, the inordinate importance placed on retemories. En Guard!

I'm afraid I must disagree with this statement. An error in judgment, while making a left turn, may matter a great deal and have very long lasting effects, regardless of how you "take them".

It's not the same thing that happens when you speak in tongues. http://www.religionandspirituality.com/view/post/11622754423000/Scientists_analyze_Pentecostals_brainwaves/ When you speak in tongues, the portion of your brain that governs your "sense of self" is measurably affected. That does not appear to happen in these other circumstances you have cited. We have done other threads about speaking in tongues. If one desires to pursue that angle, it might be best to refer to those threads. My inclusion of it in this discussion is to simply show that it played a role in this whole process of permeating our thinking with fear consciousness. In other words, we were told that without it, our spiritual defenses would be lacking.