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Well, it couldn't be Paul because he sang "When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me." (Obviously about debuhl spurt visitation.) And it couldn't be George because, even though he sang about , he was into Eastern Religion and obviously a "seed boy". Soooooo, I'll go with Ringo because he he sang about a love affair with a young girl who was only ".

VP used this 3rd person technique frequently. Page 95 What happens when people fail to understand The Word? They succumb to all the doctrines and theories of man Page 95 A woman once wrote to me regarding one of our broadcasts. She had appreciated my preaching because it agreed with what she thought. Suppose------that it had disagreed? Page 96 After the second session a man came to me and said, "I think this is the most logical Biblical teaching I have ever heard, but," he said, "it is upsetting me because I have always held other opinions and I don't want to change my mind. You are confusing me." This gentleman did not finish the class because he already had his mind closed. That was his privilege----." Page 99 Too many ministers like to talk around The word, yada, yada, yada, yada ************************************************ To the rank and file believers, he would never directly say, "I think you're stupid if you don't do it my way." So, he would give you a 3rd person example of someone he declared to be stupid and hoped you would identify with that person. Ok, that's pretty far off topic but I think it shows, in part, how he got us to buy into some of these inaccuracies.

Well, as long as they're "kinder and gentler" everything will be alright.

But if I really say it The radio won't play it Unless I lay it between the lines.

Page 9---"the orange book" Many times people say to me in my classes on Power for Abundant Living, "Dr. Wierwille, you sure get excited about your Biblical research." That is right; why shouldn't I be enthusiastic------- Here we see that Wiewille allowed himself to be recognized as a 'Dr." when in fact his so-called doctorate came from a degree mill. This is not only actual, it's deliberately deceptive. In addition, he allows the reader to believe that the so-called research originated with him, when in fact, he plagiarized undisclosed sources. These are items that are not subject to opinion, they are "actual"

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I wish I had been around for that stuff. It would have made leaving soooooooo much easier.

From post #1: Number 10 In PFAL, Wierwille states that in Luke 2, Jesus was taken to the temple for bar-mitzvah at age 12 instead of 13 because he was considered illegitimate. In truth, the passage in Luke 2 has nothing whatsoever to do with bar-mitzvah. The passage states rather clearly that they were celebrating Passover, not Jesus’ bar-mitzvah. In addition, there is no such custom in Judaism (treating illegitimate children differently for the purpose of bar-mitzvah). Wierwille cites “an old piece of literature” as his source for this bizarre claim. ************************************************************** Here are some links dealing with the origins of Bar Mitzvah: Bar Mitzvah The modern method of celebrating one's becoming a Bar Mitzvah did not exist in the time of the Bible, Mishnah or Talmud. Passages in the books of Exodus and Numbers note the age of majority for army service as twenty.[6] The term "Bar Mitzvah" appears first in the Talmud, the codification of the Jewish oral Torah compiled in the early 1st millennium of the common era, to connote "an [agent] who is subject to scriptural commands,"[7] and the age of thirteen is also mentioned in the Mishnah as the time one is obligated to observe the Torah's commandments: "At five years old a person should study the Scriptures, at ten years for the Mishnah, at thirteen for the commandments..."[8][9] The Talmud gives thirteen as the age at which a boy's vows are legally binding, and states that this is a result of his being a "man," as required in Numbers 6:2.[10] The term "Bar Mitzvah", in the sense it is now used, can not be clearly traced earlier than the fourteenth century, the older rabbinical term being "gadol" (adult) or "bar 'onshin" (son of punishment); that is, liable to punishment for his own misdoings. [11] Many sources indicate that the ceremonial observation of a Bar Mitzvah developed in the Middle Ages,[9][12] however, there are extensive earlier references to thirteen as the age of majority with respect to following the commandments of the Torah, as well as Talmudic references to observing this rite of passage with a religious ceremony, including:------- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_and_Bat_Mitzvah Historians also found that ancient initiations usually occurred when a boy was between the ages of twelve and fourteen, as he reached maturity. Similarly, rabbis fixed the age of responsibility for Jewish boys at age thirteen during the Middle Ages. http://www.mnment.com/brochure/bar.mitzvah.history.html _********************************************** PFAL is saturated with blatant, actual errors.

Do tell.

The very latest from Way Prod.

Bump Oops! I Didn't see Jeff had brought it back.

I won't disagree with you on that. Still, I am genuinely interested in knowing if there were classes that focused on these (cough) "subjects". I suppose I could ask a family member who went to WC/E but he doesn't talk much about it anymore.

Self delusion is not freedom.

"Then they don't do anything to get better and start develop a twitch from believing so hard . . . . " ------------Or worse

I really, really hope you're being sarcastic.

The reference I made was regarding The Way of Ohio Limb HQ.

Break away??? Au contraire He had already broken away and then returned.

If I had a ministry, this would be my theme: "Life is like a bowl of oat bran. You wake every morning and it's there."

Wow!! What a bummer. They really need to get their believing up! edit: I drove past the old Way of Ohio HQ not so long ago. Same deal. Over-run with weeds and desperately needing repair. Of course, The Way no longer owns the property so the blame is not on them. Still, when you think of all the "sweat equity" we FLO put into that place, it really drives home what a waste of time it all was.

Not much different than the cr@p that goes on in corporate America. "Oh, look at me!. I've decided to forego my salary this year. Aren't I just wonderful?-----Shhhhh! No need to ruffle feathers by telling people about the 47 MILLION dollar bonus I'll be accepting."

Nope. Just personal experience.

Yea verily Let they who pimpeth, pimpeth no more.

The Stepford Wives looked happy, too.