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My memory on all the details is fuzzy. I don't remember if it was a plaque or a piece of hand-tooled leather. For all I know, there may have been more than one instance. The one I am referencing , if I recall correctly, occurred in about 1974, at Lakewood (Ohio) Public Hall. Whether it was this particular one or a similar one he referenced at a SNS, I don't know.

Well, you kids just need to get your believing up!

Yeah. It might even provoke someone who is already suicidal to feel there is no escape from eternal damnation if they are told all hope for salvation is lost. R.I.P., Billy---I still miss you.

When I took PLAF (The Wonder Class) in 1972, The Unforgivable Sin was still being taught. Here is that teaching from page 42 of the silly-bus. ************************************************ THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN Sin against the Holy Ghost. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. 1. Two gods-II Corinthians 1:2,3; 4:4 2. Blasphemy-Matthew 12:31. Mark 3:29. Luke 12:10. 3. Two seeds. Genesis 3:15. Compare John 8:12ff. 4. Born again--seed of Christ--love of God--love. I John 3:9-15. 5. Born again--seed of Satan--hate of Satan--hate. I John 5:16. THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN TWO SEEDS Body/Soul---------------------Body/Soul BORN AGAIN---------BORN AGAIN Seed of Christ-----------Seed of Satan Love of God---------------Hate of Satan Eternal Life---------------Eternal Death Children born of Christian parents I Corinthians 7:14. Hebrews 1:14 CONCLUSION: "To have eternal life is to have eternal life. It is not to manifest the holy spirit. That is something else. Power or ability comes into evidence after one has believed and received the holy spirit. The life and nature of God in you at the time of the new birth is the potential to power, the door to it. Acts 10:38. The power of the new birth is in the renewing of the mind, knowing what you have received and are in Christ Jesus." ********************************************************** :realmad:

Here's Buzzy Linhart's take on the subject.

Sorry. I don't recognize it.

I think you have to examine two specific areas for similarities. 1. What is the lifestyle required/promoted? 2. What doctrines will you carry over? (By this, I don't simply mean 4 crucified, H vs. h, dead are sleeping. etc.)

The concept of selling one's soul to the devil goes way back into the roots of African folk legend. One of the more well known, modern versions of these tales, involves bluesman Tommy Johnson, and later Robert Johnson, selling his soul at the "crossroads" in exchange for musical ability.

The Devil Made Me Do It!

I wanna know whose believing is responsible for the light bulb burning out in the first place.

And this is from a man who died as a result of an ophthalmic pathology. I'm just sayin'-----

I had never heard of it (or the subjects it dealt with) until I started posting at GSC.

The answer is HERE. FREE POST!!!!

So, when you movin' on, Clay?

I'm reminded of a movie I saw many years ago called The Gods Must Be Crazy. HERE is part #1.

No guesses?

You are correct! BTW----You don't really need the artist for this thread. (The tune was a hit for both Smokey and Johnny Rivers.) Johnny Rivers

So, what, then? There's no room at the inn for people who aren't sure either way?

So are you now implying that "believing" is not always required?

"Is the Spanish Inquisition next on the calendar?" :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

People say I'm the life of the party 'cause I tell a joke or two.

How old does that make him in dog years?

That's what the original bumper stickers looked like. ("God said it, I believe it, That settles it") I think this may have come from a sermon that Billy Graham gave at one of his crusades in the early 1970's. Not to be one-upped as the World's authority on spiritual matters, Wierwille feigned indignation and insisted his revision was the only accurate one. Riiiiiiiiight! edit: VPW taught this in a big public meeting so there's a good chance it's on tape somewhere. There was an incident in my local area (which I've posted before) that precipitated the public teaching. That's why it sticks so tightly to my memory.

Hi, Twinky The key to understanding this WIKI is in noting that "it became popular" from the 1st to 4th century. Much evidence suggests its origins are much older. But that's not really my point. Wierwille simply voiced his "counterfeit" objection wherever and whenever he had no real answer. In this instance, he simply restated the argument that had been presented long ago by the Church Fathers. And we thought he had some special insight because of his spiritual connection. (cough)

Along these same lines----- Many years ago, it was popular among mainstream Christianity to use the phrase, "God said it, I believe it, that settles it." Wierwille heard it and went into one of his pseudo, "spiritually angry" tirades about how this was "off The Word". He said "To make the phrase accurate, one would need to say 'God said it, that settles it.' It doesn't mean a hill of beans WHAT you believe!" Sooooo, one could conceivably extend this logic to positive and negative confession governing the outcome of a situation. Your "believing" would be a moot point.