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One of the problems I used to see was the practice of finding a "promise" that covered whatever you had decided to "believe" for. Take, for example, the problem of domestic violence and abusive behavior that found its way into TWI. Not only could people find scriptures to rationalize it, they could find blanket promises that justified using "believing" to remedy the problem. I don't care what promises you can find in the Word that would seem to cover it, simple "believing" and speaking in tongues is not going to fix the problem. In the original PFAL class, the "law of believing" was actually called the "magic of believing". I think that's really more accurate. It's the practice of using some magical power to change something in the physical realm by simply thinking about it. Here's something from page 25 of "The Orange Book". "In every Scriptural account in the Word of God where a miracle took place or where God did a mighty work, the principles pointed out in the previous chapter were present. The persons involved knew what was available, how to receive what they needed, and what to do with it after they received, and they had their needs and wants coordinated knowing that God's ability equals His willingness to keep his promises. When keys are understood, we can read any place from Genesis to Revelation and see this pattern." Purely philosophical rubbish, IMO. People suffered; some literally died, trying to "believe" for things that were supposedly covered by blanket promises. Take, for example, the people who were raped and killed trying to use "believing" to guarantee safe passage to L.E.A.D. And when it didn't work, leadership simply turned the blame back on the victims and claimed it proved the validity of believing from a negative vantage. It's dangerous stuff, playing with fire, lost mojo, bad chicken any way you slice it.

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Mask the stench.

Kinda reminds me of the old Hee Haw show. Hey Gran-paw, whats fer supper? Polk Sallet N cornbread, sweet to the bite, Home grown Arsh taters, mashed up just right, Ham-hock n pintos piled up high, an' fer desert, some sweet apple pie! YU-UM,, YUM!! (quote borrowed from THIS site) But seriously, if you need help finding something here, don't be shy.

But, how can anyone re-search PFAL when they've put it in mothballs?

In all fairness, the expression "meeting needs" has become rather commonplace in current vernacular. I do understand, though, why hearing a phrase that associates with TWI can elicit an undesirable reaction. Well, I "just" wanted to "share" that.

Doesn't sound all that different from Fellow Laborers. (Except for the dismal lack of academic activity in Fellow Laborers.)

Greetings, soul searcher Welcome to the cafe. Will you be needing a menu?

I wonder if they'll sing "Let's All Go To The Lobby" (and sign a green card) like they used to at public exes.

---but i don't think it's anybody's "freedom" to be able get into people's faces, to bully people, to tell people how to live their lives, to be condescending and arrogant. and i don't think it's anybody's "freedom" to try to keep people from speaking their minds so long as when they're doing that speaking it doesn't fall in those last things i mentioned. Nor do I. That's where "The Golden Rule" trumps all the other rules. IMO, it's possible to disagree with someone and still be cordial about it. Not that I always succeed at that, but it is possible. so just what is this "freedom" stuff anyway? Within the context of this website, I think people use the term "freedom" to mean they are no longer subject to the whims, dictates and oppression of The Way.

I have no idea. I didn't have any reservations, though, about being in front of an audience. I'm sure it must have been something fairly basic.

I think TWI probably secretly enjoys the existence of GSC. It "validates" to them that they must be doing something important. "Wow, we must be really moving the word. Look at how the adversary is firing darts at us."

What???? No HAIRY BUFFALO??

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Met my old lover in the grocery store

From page 31 of the AC syllabus: GIFTS OF HEALINGS It is our taking the place of Jesus Christ here upon earth. :o

As long as you follow the posted rules, you are free to express your opinion here, whatever it might be. Just don't expect people to always agree with you.

You see, this only serves to underscore the futility of all the efforts and sacrifices we made to promote the stupid thing in the first place. So now you can look at your WOW year and say, "Yeah, it was really tough, but at least I did it to promote a class/book that even TWI no longer finds viable".

I mean, isn't that the one that was supposed to be "foundational"? "Can't understand this other stuff unless you first understand the 'foundational' book. It's got all the 'keys', dontcha know" <_<

Anyone else notice the book that is conspicuously absent? http://theway.org/bookstore.php?page=wayresearch&lang=en

"You guys just weren't looking hard enough. Sure, there's a phone number (fax number too).... if you want to BUY something". HaHaHa----I would have NEVER found it, then.

They don't even list a phone number. Just "P.O.Box 328"

How about this one: I witnessed an incident where a person missing a limb was witnessed to and brought into the twig family. They were told that if they would just take the class, they could learn how to get their believing up so they could then get ministered to and have their limb restored. Now, I realize some may say, "With God, all things are possible." This person was seen as a trophy. Yeah, if The Way could pull this one off, people would be begging to sign the green card. In retrospect, it was sheer cruelty. Once it became apparent that the person wasn't going to be taking the class (due to strong opposition from their family) the person was dropped like a hot potato. It was all part of VPW's drive to push PFAL sales figures up.

Of course it's foolish. But, back in the 70's, if you got "ministered to" and then went to a Dr., it sent a loud message that you didn't really "believe" in "ministering", that you had spiritual weakness. If you went to a Dr., you had to keep it quiet so no one would suspect your weakness. The very act of getting ministered to was perceived as stepping out on your believing. It's one of those unspoken kind of things that were so prevalent at that time. After someone threw away their meds and died, in about 1974, Wierwille used the main stage at ROA to put a major spin on it and launched a damage control effort. I'm sure he realized the legal liabilities that were at stake.