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"He was a mean man."

We really don't know how people spoke in the "Olden Days". It would be erroneous to assume their vocal patterns, emphatic pauses, modifiers and so on would parallel modern day spoken English.

Grandiosity might be a nice place to start.

You previously stated you were unfamiliar with confirmation bias. This is a prime example of how it works.

Those numbers (so many for a tape class, so many for a film class) are further evidence it wasn't really "moving the word" that drove the process. If that was the case, they should have been happy to run the class for any number of students, even if it was only one. It didn't cost them anything to run a class. Those numbers were used as a sales incentive to motivate class recruiters to be more productive. "Well, if you sign up 10 people, we can reward you with a film class, but if you fall short, we can only let you have a tape class." Why would that arbitrary number make any difference outside of driving up the sales figures?

They're only off topic if you're planning to build a strawman. That's absurd. You haven't proven anything even remotely close to that and can't because it's not a provable point, it's a personal opinion.

Can I upvote this twice?

What???

Oh, were there some of those, too? I didn't even notice, as I'm really very busy at the moment.

Too many footnotes. Very distracting.

I didn't witness the "doggy" video first hand, but I was present on several occasions when Wierwille presented his list of sex related slang in CF&S. Some of the students were as young as 13 years old. If he did that today, he'd be put on a registry and have to report periodically to a government agency. I'm not sure if he would be required to put that on his business card, though.

No, It's not lying to have a nice looking business card. Having one that misrepresents your services, on the other hand, is lying.

You're "slight delay" approach is nonsense, as well. I never said anything about slightly delaying anything nor did I say anything about dumping it all on them at once. Why don't you ask some of your academic colleagues how they feel about deliberately obscuring sources of reference? I'm anxiously awaiting their response.

This entire post is filled with point after point of complete nonsense. It's like saying you should never teach your kids anything about life because they're going to die someday anyhow.

See here's where you lose your audience, Mike. You make a statement like this and then fail to provide your rationale or provide examples. This is a statement of your opinion. That's perfectly fine. Everyone has opinions. Add some weight to your opinion by telling us how you arrived at it.

I think the answer is obvious. He didn't attend enough excellor sessions and, thus, never got his fluency beyond "Lo Shanta...".

You might want to acquaint yourself with some more skillful thinkers. I'm just sayin'.

Mike idolizes the collaterals.

I've taken the liberty of making a summary. Once upon a time, was a guy named Wierwille. He devised a stinky plan to dupe a bunch of trusting people. Lives were damaged, people died. Some people learned stuff about the bible, though much of it was not true. In time, the people got wise to his shenanigans and spoke out about their dissatisfaction. Some people became upset about what they said. But, who hasn't done that?? We all do it. The end. (They all lived happily ever after)

Don't worry, as long as they focus on mastering the written collaterals they should be just fine. /s

Epistles, the bible, the collaterals...I don't recall the exact wording. The essence is the same. But, suppose for a minute that he said to read the epistles for 3 months. Why, then, is there now such a push to get back to the collaterals? Bingo! We have a winner.

And so, the long journey out of darkness begins.

It's not the inverse. It's two separate statements with different, unrelated meanings.

The thing about the corps is that Wierwille most likely got he original concept after observing E.S. Jones's Ashrams. Remember Eli Stanley Jones? The "Billy Graham of India"? He's the guy who has been quoted as stating, "Fear is sand in the machinery of life." and "Abundant living means abundant giving.". Jones brought the Hindu Ashram concept to America after WWII and gave it a Christian twist.. Like everything Wierwille did, he had to give it his own personalized spin. . Summer school became zero corps, zero corps dissolved and made way for the 1st corps and on and on and on. It went through extreme evolutionary changes until the original concept was little more than a faded memory. Studying at the master's feet eventually became an exercise in disciplined communal living, with Wierwille as the self-declared master and purveyor of "wisdom".