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I heard it, too, Bolski. I'm just not sure exactly where and when. It was definitely in TWI, though. Is it on one of those albums like All Aboard or something? I may have heard Howie Y. tell it, as well, at a FLO night. Howie Y. was quite good at presenting that sort of thing.

Yes, that pretty much sums up the essence of the quote,

Remember how Wierwille got up in arms about people wanting to run bake sales, car washes, etc., to fund local activities? "Wouldn't reflect well on God's ability to supply abundance." (cough) I suppose he's rolling over in his grave with this new trend of moonlighters.

Very cool. Alto, Tenor, Baritone----???

Hey! No fair. "OOPS!" is MY mantra. Get your own.

Dearest Gen-2 You must never, ever allow yourself to believe you are "damaged from the factory",. We are what we are. Some of us have more fingers and toes than others. Some of us have less. Some can charm a nightingale with their song while others can peel paint. Some have one eye that just sits there taking up space, while others pop on the 3-d glasses and take great delight in movies like Avatar. But, spiritually? Nope. I don't buy it. If you are a God believing type of person, it might interest you to know that "God is no respecter of persons."

I forgot to say that I'm very sorry to hear you lost both your parents so early in your life. First cup of coffee is on me. (not literally :P )

Oh, I did that very early in my involvement. It got me into plenty of hot water. Before I "got in the word", my basic train of thought was that God talks to you in a non-verbal fashion. Talks to you in ways that are tailored to your personal makeup. (ie: being present at the birth of a baby, witnessing the vast beauty of nature, etc. Like when you lock eyes with someone very close to you and no words are needed to understand each other) Hey! Didn't somebody write a song like that? I think it was called or somethin'. Anyhow, fast forward to my first twig, circa 1972. "WHAT!!!! Oh no, that simply can't be! Ya see, ya gotta put God in a little box where you can look at Him real up-close like with a spurchal magnifying glass. Gotta learn whole bunches of Greek and Aramaic and all kinds of other languages and speak in tongues of angels (or men from fur away places) 'til the cows all come home to roost if you ever want to have any hope at all that God will 'speak' to you". Uhmmmmmmm.....OK.Then, about 1979 or so, when the "paid according to needs" stuff started to surface at the local level, my first wife and I had a major knock-down, drag out confrontation with each other about the "accuracy" of this crap. (If I recall correctly, my position was that it was a wagon load of soil enrichment material.) Did I mention we got divorced not too awful long after that?

You're kiddin', right? "All prophesy of the scripture is God breathed" How do we know that's true? Well, it says so in the scriptures and because "All prophesy of the scripture is God breathed", it must be true. :blink: Kinda reminds me of that song by Nick Lowe (a man)-----

A thousand years from now----- "He sacrificed his very own eye for his keeeds. And, when that wasn't enough, he turned his face to the wall and, with a broken heart and shattered liver, was heard to say, 'I wish I was a man. I know I could have been.'"

Well, it's one thing to say you accept something "on faith". I'm down with that. We all do that with one thing or another in our lives. But, using circular logic to "explain away" something that has been taken "on faith" is a horse of a completely different color.

I think it was on closing night of Rock of Ages. 1973. Wierwille announced during the main teaching there would be a healing service for all who needed healing in front of the main stage. He instructed all who sought healing to come forth. Hundreds came up to the stage. He told all Advanced Class grads in the audience to come forth and pick out a healing partner so they could "minister" to them. Then, since the AC grads were outnumbered, he told them to keep finding healing partners until everyone was ministered to. I did not go down to the stage. It didn't seem right. If God wanted me to minister healing, why didn't He tell me Himself? Later, I started to question my decision. Do you have any idea what it's like to carry the guilt of thinking you denied someone healing? Were there any genuine miracles or healing? Not that I saw. And I was an observer, on the outside looking in.

"All scripture is God breathed and----- holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." How do you know? It says so in "The Word". Who made the statement? Paul. How do you know he was right? It says so in "The Word"

soul searcher Have you ever read Receiving the Holy Spirit Today? There is quite a lot in there that will explain what the average "Way Believer" regards to be accurate on this matter. I'm not saying I agree with it. What I'm saying is that it gives you some sort of starting point in trying to discuss this with Wayfers.

I heard Wierwille teach on this subject. I have always thought that this particular version I'm about to share was in CF&S, but no one seems to remember it being there. So, I'm at a loss as to where and when he taught it. Anyway, I think his explanation was all a bunch of *%*&$#@*, so, I am simply repeating this for informational purposes. Wierwille taught that Eve either masturbated Adam or performed oral sex on him. (I don't recall which.) Then, claimed Wierwille, Eve consumed the "byproduct" (and the following was supposed to be the "sin" part.) and convinced Adam to do the same. (Consume it, that is) Yeah, I know. That's some really bizarre stuff to be coming from a guy who was supposed to be a minister. Like I said, I think it's a bunch of nonsense "and then some", but, I wanted to put it out there as a matter of reference so people could see what kind of twisted mind drove someone we all thought was some kind of great Man of God.

It was 51 years ago today.

Welcome aboard!

I don't miss the guilt I used to have for "tripping out" on the "one true household". That-----and wheat berries!

Hi Gen-2 Welcome aboard. It's always refreshing to see things from another perspective, especially from a "little kid".

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It's not my intent to impugn Paul's character. Maybe he was a con-man, maybe he wasn't. I don't know. All that we really know about him is what he, himself, revealed in his letters. My point is simply this: We took what Paul said in letters to specific people, regarding specific circumstances, and equated that with God speaking specifically to us. I used speaking in tongues as a representative example. But, there are probably hundreds, or even thousands, of similar examples, as well. Here is that particular "speaking in tongues" example again. "I would that ye all spake in tongues" (Here is the "listening with a purpose" question that deals with that subject.) Session #11/Question #5 Q.Is it God's will that we all speak in tongues? A.Yes. What we are really looking at in that statement, in I Cor. 14:5, is Paul addressing a specific group regarding a specific subject. Yet, somehow, that has been changed in our thinking to mean that God (not Paul) told us (not the people in Corinth) we should all speak in tongues. In order to consider that directive to be addressed to us, you must first accept the basic premises of Biblical interpretation, as set forth in PFAL. (ie: to whom it is written/ administrations/ Jew, Gentile, Church of God/ Theopneustos, etc.) Otherwise, what you really have is exactly what you see, Paul addressing a specific group regarding a specific subject. Thus, what we often times thought of as being something God told us to do or something The Word told us to do, is really more on the order of "Thus saith Paul."

Some scholars believe it was actually Paul who wrote Luke, as well as Acts.

Don't eat snow. It's one of the ways that nature flushes pollutants from the atmosphere.

It does make sense, Mr. Aar, even the part about The Lion King, which, in fact, draws parallels from the Biblical records concerning Moses and Joseph. (I wouldn't be surprised to find that, a 1,000 years from now, Hakuna Matata has found its way into the canon.)