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  1. 1. The reason you are having trouble in your life is because the adversary is able to attack you because you are not standing on the word. 2. The reason you are having trouble in your life is because the adversary is attaching you for standing on the word.
  2. Note of clarification: That's the supposed definition of the MANIFESTATION of believing, as energized by the revelation manifestations, as opposed to your run of the mill believing (that is "available" for saint and sinner alike) or saving faith (believing). Not that it really makes any difference. I just thought it might help you understand what it is referring to. BTW----These definitions , from the Advanced Class, did not originate with Wierwille. He "borrowed" them almost word-for-word.
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  4. You are completely, completely complete------so speak in tongues much to develope your inner spirit.
  5. "You'll just have to take my word on this."-------VPW (CF&S)
  6. Yep (Did you notice that I didn't post a youtube of that one?)
  7. -----ZepIf the sun refused to shine, I don't mind, I don't mind.
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  9. How is it done now?
  10. All of this material is covered in the "foundational" class.
  11. Let's take this one, for example: Syndeton: (The uses of connectors) Polysyndeton (Use of multiple connectors) According to both Bullinger and Wierwille, this figure is used to indicate that several listed items carry equal levels of importance. (This and that and those and the other thing) Asyndeton: Omittance of connectors Supposedly, this one is used to indicate that the individual items of a list are less important than the conclusion or point they lead to. These are valid figures of speech. No question about it. Why does that, in and of itself, prove that God deliberately inserted them into the scriptures like some sort of Davinci Code? If the men who penned the scriptures used figures in their everyday vocabulary, wouldn't it stand to reason they would make use of them in their writings?
  12. I've taken this a bit off track. I used adultery as an example because it demonstrates how so many things in The Way had more than one meaning and the "deeper" ones were reserved for "the more spiritual." Just to be clear on this, accepting that adultery had another, deeper meaning did not necessarily mean that one endorsed the more carnal version with which we are familiar. That, apparently, was reserved for the more fully initiated. Returning to the topic of figures of speech, I find myself wondering if the fascination with the subject wasn't simply imposed hyperbole. Yes, there are figures of speech in the Bible. But all sorts of literature contains figures of speech. Do "f.o.s." really inject some sort of mystic, multi-layered meaning into the scriptures? Bullinger seemed to think so. But, remember, Bullinger was wrong about lots of things, not the least of which were the "4 crucified" and "6 denials" concepts. Fast forward. Some 60 or 70 years later, Wierwille absconded Bullinger's work and claimed God taught it to him. This claim, also, has suffered greatly in regard to credibility. So here we have basically taken the word of two dubious proponents that figures of speech were built into the Bible by Divine design and that they greatly intensify and diversify the face value of the text. Jesus spoke in parables. Lots of people speak in parables. According to Wierwille, Jesus spoke in parables because the people of that time were not born-again and thus could not understand spiritual matters. But, we, being born again, could now use our holy spirit to understand the deeper spiritual meanings of the parables. Looking for hidden meanings, thinking we were special because we could decipher the deeper spiritual nuances, feeling smug because we knew the REAL truth of what The Word was saying. In my opinion, it was hype.
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