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I agree that most of what they taught (4 crucified, etc.) was of no consequence from a doctrinal standpoint. It's my opinion that a lot of the damage that was inflicted was because of the lifestyle we followed. I think this explains why some people who participated in the in-residence programs were profoundly affected while some who were active exclusively at the local level escaped relatively unscathed.

I never mentioned intelligence.

Even if it were true, it would mean that God can not talk to Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Shamanists>>>>>>>>>>???

This is The Great Principle, as stated many times in the foundational, intermediate and advanced classes.: "God's spirit teaches His creation in you which is now your spirit and your spirit teaches your mind and is manifested in the senses realm as you act." Wierwille also stated that "God, being spirit, can only speak to that which he is, spirit." So, if God, being spirit, can not talk to your mind, how is it that YOUR spirit, being spirit, can? In essence, if The Great Principle is true, the only people that God has talked to down through the ages are either born-again Christians or people who have had the spirit placed on them conditionally on an ad hoc basis. Sounds rather limiting, in my opinion.

Response is on the Speaking in Tongues Post-TWI thread For the record: I've never said anyone should not speak in tongues or pray.

Even Wierwille seemed to recognize that speaking in tongues has an effect on your sense of self and ability to reason. RTHST pg.45 "When you pray in the spirit, which is praying in tongues, you may rest assured that there is no selfishness in your prayer, for your understanding is bypassed."

The functions of the frontal lobe include reasoning, planning, organizing thoughts, behavior, sexual urges, emotions, problem-solving, judging, and organizing parts of speech and motor skills (movement). http://www.buzzle.com/articles/lobes-of-the-brain-and-their-function.html My summation: The frontal lobe is responsible for our ability to think critically. If you remove the ability to think critically, you introduce suggestibility. Speaking in tongues temporarily reduces activity in the frontal lobe and thus renders the subject less able to think critically and be more open to suggestion. This area of "suggestion" is where the lift list enters the picture. Supppose Wierwille is at the top of your lift list. You picture him in the most positive light you can muster and speak in tongues. Your critical thinking defenses are down because you have temporarily altered the functions of the frontal lobe.. Your mind accepts that Wierwille is the wonderful person you've been picturing. There is a reduced level of critical thinking taking place to act as a system of checks and balances. Your mind accepts the suggestion you have presented to it.

Brain scans of people speaking in tongues: A group of researchers at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine used Single Photon Emission Computed Tomography (SPECT) to analyze brain activity within individuals as they spoke in tongues. It was the first study of this kind. During this technique, a small quantity of a radioactive drug is injected into a person's vein. The scanner then makes detailed images of tissues as cells take up the drug. During an interview on 2006-SEP-20 by Steve Paulson, Andrew Newberg -- Associate Professor of Radiology, Psychiatry, and Religious Studies and Director for the Center for Spirituality and the Mind, at the University of Pennsylvania -- said that the region of the brain involved in language is not activated when a person speaks in tongues. He said: "Speaking in tongues is a very unusual kind of vocalization. It sounds like the person is speaking a language, but it’s not comprehensible. And when people have done linguistic analyses of speaking in tongues, it does not correspond to any clear linguistic structure. So it seems to be distinct from language itself. That’s interesting because we did not see activity in the language areas of the brain. Of course, if somebody is a deep believer in speaking in tongues, the source of the vocalizations is very clear. It’s coming from outside the person. It’s coming through the spirit of God. 11 They found decreased activity in the brain's frontal lobes, an area associated with self-control. One of the researchers, Andrew Newberg, said: "It’s fascinating because these subjects truly believe that the spirit of God is moving through them and controlling them to speak." The data partly confirms the subjects' beliefs. In fact, the subjects are not in control of their usual language centers as they spoke in tongues. Newberg, who is Principal Investigator in the study, was later interviewed about his team's article in the journal Psychiatry Research: Neuroimaging. He stated: "We noticed a number of changes that occurred functionally in the brain. Our finding of decreased activity in the frontal lobes during the practice of speaking in tongues is fascinating because these subjects truly believe that the spirit of God is moving through them and controlling them to speak. Our brain imaging research shows us that these subjects are not in control of the usual language centers during this activity, which is consistent with their description of a lack of intentional control while speaking in tongues." Newberg went on to explain, "These findings could be interpreted as the subject's sense of self being taken over by something else. We, scientifically, assume it's being taken over by another part of the brain, but we couldn't see, in this imaging study, where this took place. We believe this is the first scientific imaging study evaluating changes in cerebral activity -- looking at what actually happens to the brain -- when someone is speaking in tongues. This study also showed a number of other changes in the brain, including those areas involved in emotions and establishing our sense of self." The study also compared the brain activity in the same subjects as they sang gospel music. Newbert said: "We noticed a number of changes" including in brain regions tied to emotions and the sense of self. 12,13 This is a SPECT scan of a person speaking in tongues: bullet Activity in the thalamus region (bottom arrow) is increased. bullet Activity in the left basal ganglia (top arrow) is decreased; this region is involved with focusing attention and emotional responses. Image courtesy of the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine. http://www.religioustolerance.org/tongues5.htm (Bold font added)

Yes, you have to allow for a bit of symbolism on this one. An old gray mare, pulling an antiquated cart that was deemed unsafe, decades ago,

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The new twig hopper: HERE

Now that there's some funny stuff.

I'm not going to cite the following because I think most posters consider this common knowledge. Wierwille said that God, being spirit, can only talk to what He is, spirit. This was supposed to explain why "unbelievers" can't hear from God. (They don't have a spiritual connection, no spirit in them.) But, how does that fit with "The Great Principle"? You know, the principle that states that God, being spirit, teaches our spirit, which teaches our minds. If spirit can only speak to spirit, how does our spirit teach our minds? Also, Wierwille said that when you speak in tongues and interpret, the mind is not involved, it's inspiration ("in-spirit action") So, then, how does one explain away studies that clearly show the mind really is involved, even if it is in a passive, subjugation type sense?

In the middle of Podunk, Ohio????

Old time well drillers used to reactivate sluggish wells by dropping in blasting caps.

"Sexual intercourse is always a spiritual event."......VP Wierwille (CF&S)

Neuroscience In 2006, the brains of a group of individuals were scanned while they were speaking in tongues. Activity in the language centers of the brain decreased, while activity in the emotional centers of the brain increased. Activity in the area of control decreased, which corresponds with the reported experience of loss of control. There were no changes in any language areas, suggesting that glossolalia is not associated with usual language function.[10][11][12] Other brain wave studies have also found that brain activity alters in glossolalia.[13] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossolalia http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~tim/introframe/tongues.pdf .................................... The scans also showed a dip in the activity of a region called the left caudate. “The findings from the frontal lobes are very clear, and make sense, but the caudate is usually active when you have positive affect, pleasure, positive emotions,” said Dr. James A. Coan, a psychologist at the University of Virginia. “So it’s not so clear what that finding says” about speaking in tongues. The caudate area is also involved in motor and emotional control, Dr. Newberg said, so it may be that practitioners, while mindful of their circumstances, nonetheless cede some control over their bodies and emotions. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/07/health/07brain.html

If anyone can fix it, Red Green would be the guy.

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Welcome aboard!

But it remains to be seen if they will use that slant drill as a means to abandon the shaft or use it as an access.

I can't speak for Pawtucket. As for me, though, I NEVER again want to feel like it's not for me to know what or why I'm playing. And I definitely don't want to feel like what I'm doing is part of some "bigger picture". That's all part of the crap that TWI fed me in order to convince me to surrender my individuality.

I have personally seen casing-less water wells drilled into solid limestone bedrock. You would think that situation would be ideal. But, because of the billions of minute fractures/fissures in the bedrock, some solutions, such as those containing MTBE, will pass in and out of the well like water through a screen door. The only way to fix it is to drop a solid casing in and grout (seal) it or abandon the well (fill with an impervious substance, such as bentonite) and start all over.

I can understand how one might hear familiar words from another language such as French or Russian or German or Portuguese, but if the message is from God, shouldn't the context and syntax be accurate?

Even though there is a lot of science and advanced technology involved, well drilling is like a crap shoot. Sometimes, when you least expect it, you shoot snake eyes.