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waysider replied to Nathan_Jr's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
E. Vladimir Putin New Delhi: Russian President Vladimir Putin during his speech said the West is heading towards a “spiritual catastrophe”. SOURCE -
On God-Breathed Scriptures
waysider replied to Raf's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
By now, you may have heard Joseph Campbell speak on religious commonalities. If you haven't, here is a link. HERE -
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waysider replied to Raf's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
I've heard he spent quite a bit of time in Mexico. -
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waysider replied to Raf's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
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GSC offers first, clear vision that twi-followers are caught in trap
waysider replied to skyrider's topic in About The Way
I suppose the answer is somewhat like a recipe, a little of this, a little of that, a whole bunch of something else...and everybody has their own recipe they tend to prefer. I was never in the category of these guys or even anywhere close. I was just your basic Joe Believer kind of guy. Still, I can think of reasons I hesitated to speak out when I could have or should have. I had extended family in the ministry. I was the first in my family to become involved and brought these other people in with me. How could I tell them I might have done a horrible thing by bringing them in? Or, even, should I be the one to tell them? If I got thrown out of the little program I was in, how would it reflect on them? How would other believers treat them if they became vocal, too? And, what if they rejected what I told them? They're family. That part doesn't change. So, little by little, I drifted quietly out of sight. Was it right? Was it wrong? I don't know, but that's what I did. Now, if these decisions weighed so heavily on me, how much more difficult must it have been for these guys who were in visible positions of leadership? We can guess about their reasons, I suppose, but, we'll never really know unless they choose to tell us. The cafe is open 24/7. They're always welcome to come in and grab a seat. First cup is on the house. -
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waysider replied to Raf's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
OK, I see what you mean now. No, it's not Wierwille's excrement holding capacity that is in question. That part is indisputable. The idea is that, if something is shown to be prone to conflicting, erroneous content, be it PFAL, The Little Train That Could or the Bible, it disqualifies itself from a God Breathed designation. -
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waysider replied to Raf's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
This phrasing is a bit unclear to me. Was it caused by a typo or something? edit: Not the $h!t part. I get that. -
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waysider replied to Raf's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
Exactly. If someone claims to not be a follower of The Way, but still clings to PFAL, they're still a follower of The Way. "If it walks like a duck........" -
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waysider replied to Raf's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
I agree. That seems to be an interpretation derived from fundamentalist thinking. -
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waysider replied to Raf's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
Yeah, that's the general idea behind the Way version. In the PFAL class, VPW says "God had a purpose for everything he said...where He said it, when He said it, how he said it, yada, yada, yada." So then why are there errors and contradictions? Yeah, I know, "they only APPEAR to be errors and contradictions." Well, if he had the power and ability to breath something pure, why did He allow mankind's fallibility to contaminate the finished product? Likewise with PFAL. If it was God Breathed, why did He allow such simple things as geography errors to enter the final text? -
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waysider replied to skyrider's topic in About The Way
Let's get Mikey to try it. He hates everything. -
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waysider replied to Raf's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
I wasn't involved at that time. Can you elaborate? -
On God-Breathed Scriptures
waysider replied to Raf's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
What does it mean to be God-Breathed, beyond the standard explanation of being God inspired or given by revelation? If something originated with God, it would seem to me that it should be free of flaws. That obviously doesn't describe the Bible we have come to know or the PFAL class. Is the ambiguity intentional? It's hard to know. -
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waysider replied to Raf's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
There is no basis for rejecting PFAL as God-breathed that does not apply equally to scriptures that have been considered God-breathed since there was a canon. I'm right with you on that. -
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waysider replied to Raf's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
Hey, Mr. B. I think the difficulty here is that your posts are sometimes a bit more open ended than some people would like them to be. People don't generally like to be left to draw their own conclusions. I mean, that's cool with art and philosophy and sometimes these discussions do evolve in those directions. Personally, I usually see where you're headed, but I'm not everybody. I'm just me. So, I guess what I'm saying is that, if you try to point the reader to an intended conclusion, it might help. OK. Fire away. I'm ducking for cover now. -
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waysider replied to Raf's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
You can take people out of The Way but you can't take the Way out of people. They have to make that decision for themselves. Over 20 years of GSC's existence would seem to validate that concept. -
So, then, do whatever you want and quote some scripture to CYA. Got it!
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It's not a hypothetical. I know of a very real, similar situation, though key details (not a liquor store, etc.) have been altered to retain ambiguity. As to how it ended, let's just say it involved an orange jumpsuit.
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Can you point to a scripture that supports this?
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How does this answer my question? Choose only one. a. More effective b. Less effective c. Unaffected
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Suppose I'm on my way to twig to give a teaching on I Timothy chapter 6, the chapter that details how a man of God should behave. As I'm cruising down the street, I spot a liquor store. There's just one guy behind the counter and no customers in sight. So, I think to myself, "Hey, this is a golden opportunity for a stick-up." So I run in, flash the gun, grab the cash and dash back out. I'm back on my way to twig. (I'll put 10% in the horn of plenty, of course.) Will my teaching be more effective, less effective or unaffected? I mean, it's still the word, right?
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On God-Breathed Scriptures
waysider replied to Raf's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
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waysider replied to Raf's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
The Bible declares itself to be God breathed. Therefore, it must be because the Bible says so and it's God Breathed... That's about as circular as you can get. There is no outside evidence to suggest it's God Breathed. PFAL? it doesn't even claim to be. -
I think there is more than one question to be addressed here. For the first question, I'll state that I prefer to write grocery lists and such things on a piece of paper. No particular reason. It's just what I'm used to. The second question, it would appear, is whether printing or cursive is preferred. I can't write in cursive to save my life. Never could. I practiced and practiced to no avail. My hands are just kinda dumb like that. I think it's important to, at the very least, teach kids what cursive looks like and be able to recognize the stroke order/process. That way, when they encounter it in the wild, they'll be able to read it. I've seen a lot of people on-line bemoaning the demise of cursive instruction. Personally, beyond the basics, I think it's a waste of time that could be better spent teaching them the precious art of buggy whip making.